With SayWHA Radio reaching the big 1-0, what better time than a girl’s trip down memory lane with one of Justice’s oldest freeennnns (25 years to be exact) and popular show host, the wonderful Taz. Inspired by a wonderful video by the amazing , Jackie Aina, In this episode, Justice and Taz discuss what it was like in the early days of podcasting, friendship, high school, how they have made their friendship last and a few crazy stories from their past.
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Justice: All right. All right. All right. It is not Wednesday night, but it is a special occasion. Gotcha. Gotcha girl. Just coming at you guys. Say Wha Radio, man. We didn’t say this earlier and I’ve put out a couple of things depending on where you are, but we’re 10 now. 10, 10 years been doing this 10 years, this, this show is 10 years old.
Taz: Double digits.
Justice: And for that, I want it need to do something a little bit different. So if you’ve been a long time listener, if you actually just started listening, just to give you a little bit of feedback, I started this a long time ago. My very first show, March 11th, 2011. I started showing and was just like, you know what, I’m going to talk about the crazy shit going on in my life.
And I remember at that time asking my best friend and I was like, dude, I’m about to do this radio show. I want you to be on it. And when I asked that they were like, No! I’m like, okay. But she was like, I listened though. All right. All right. Okay.
Taz: I don’t recall that.
Justice: So start the radio show, do it. And I get a call in because at that time, if you do call in.
And is none other than my best friend. And since then, actually that is probably one of the only shows that she was not on, like, she’s been on other shows and she’s taken a hiatus every now and then, but most of the time she’s on there and that is the lovely, the wonderful Taz.
Taz: Hey, I would like to point out that I did not recall this Phantom conversation that she, she decided she had with me.
Where I was not going to be part of the show. I think maybe she dreamed there. So we just don’t. Yeah, but we’ve had several holes. Well, I won’t say several we’ve had,
Justice: We’ve had a few changes.
Taz: we’ve had a few hosts and, and, you know, we. They come and go, but we still. I mean, it’s, it’s, uh, 10 years it’s transition. Yeah. It’s transition.
Justice: 10years! Yeah!.
My personalities have changed throughout the team at all. Okay. Well, they have so, but, um, one thing I think has been. Constant throughout is like the support and always being on didn’t. It didn’t necessarily matter. She was actually on the show. She would, this is before we had like hype men and all the rest of that.
And all we have with social media, we have Facebook and I think my space was dying out at that point. He planned to, you know, I mean, we had Twitter and all that. But I wasn’t really rocking with it. And, but Taz was sharing it and putting it out there and everything like that. But I bring all that up because I was watching one of my favorite YouTube was like, I love makeup.
I love watching those ladies and men and women and all different kinds of people doing makeup. So one of them, uh, Jackie was talking about frenemies and also having like. Not the best luck in having friends. And one of the things that she said that stuck out to me was, Oh, you’re never going to have the same friends that you had in high school or middle school or something like that.
Like, that’s just not going to happen. Nobody has friends over, I think she said 10 years or something like that. Like she gave a number. I don’t, I don’t specifically remember what the number is, but she gave a number and I’m sitting there saying to myself, like, that’s, that’s not true.
Taz: How old is Jackie?
Justice: I, I think she just turned 33 or 34.
Taz: Okay. So what I’ve been realizing is after our kind of generation, after the family 40 years, you’re close. Well, you’re close. These kids don’t know how to be friends. They don’t know what friend is like. The, uh, just reading the news, reading the headlines. It’s like little girls befriending little girls just to jump on later or to, you know, no, you know, we’ve had headlines,
Justice: but yeah, I’m remembering that. Yeah, I remember that.
Taz: Like w w who’s not teaching this. And I know like, when we were growing up our parents, I don’t know if your mom said this. My mom was like, before high school, she was like, if you walked in and you’re like, Oh, I was with my friends. You ain’t got no friends, I’m your friend. Because at that age, you don’t really know what a friend is.
You’re calling everybody, your friend, whatever they, whatever. And it was supposed to be a learning process. And I think our generation raising our kids and, and the generations after us. That came the, what they call them? No. Where gen X, what are they? We’re millennials. Oh, we’re millennials, the millennials, the,
Justice: They are genZ.
Taz: the late millennials and above, like, they have no idea. What friendship is. They barely know what family is. Right, man.
Justice: I didn’t even think about it like that.
Taz: So like when you said, I think you brought that up to me, you were like, Oh, you sent it to me and said something about the, the time span of friendship or whatever. And I told you, I was like, well, I mean, that’s true. Cause we friends, we sisters now, like it surpassed a friendship a long time ago.
Justice: And the thing I think that kind of struck me when I saw Jackie, it was like, well, you know, people don’t have friends like that. I was just like, How do you not get there in that situation now? And she was explaining the situation to one of the people that I guess that brought this up, you know, during the whole pandemic thing, she got into some kind of.
Issue with the person that she had this problem with. And she was just like, you know, people was just fake. People would just, I say, I don’t think it’s bad. I think it’s really just more like, like you were saying, they really don’t know how to make that jump from. This is an acquaintance citizens, a friend, somebody that I could trust, or they’re just awkward in that position, honestly like social skills,
Taz: I guess, kind of to piggyback on that with the awkward social skills.
People don’t realize that every one that you. Associate with, doesn’t have to agree with every single thing that like me and Justin can disagree on specific subjects and it does not affect our friendship. We know like, W w we just, we just have that dynamic. I know she’s not going to agree with every single thing and she knows I’m not going to agree.
We don’t, we’re not going to fight about it. Like we agree to disagree. Okay. Well, you have your thoughts, my thought, and we move on like a lot of people, like, let that end the friendship. People are in the friendships. Cause I don’t like Pepsi and you like Coke, it’s too much. It’s too, like just in the world as it is today.
I drank, I do extracurricular activities outside of, you know, regular life, whatever. I’m also corporate though, but on the other side, you know, I got what I got, but Justin does, none of that. Justin is a health buff. Justin eat bright, Justin work out multiple times a week. Like we’re total opposites, but we’re not.
Justice: Yeah, yeah
Taz: Yeah. We’re we’re total. That was, I tell all the time, like, yeah, I didn’t do like you, but now I think originally she used to be like, yeah, come on, dude. Nasty. No, I just said it like, okay. You know what? I’m not even acknowledge you no more.
Justice: No, no, no. I do it, not sometimes I do.
Taz: I just show up sometimes, but in it, you know, and then I don’t know more.
And, and, you know, a couple of years later I might show up a few more times, but it is what it is.
Justice: So see and take into account like lives are completely different and it’s funny being able to go through the transitions. And I remember, so if you don’t know, or if you are new to the show, I was a teen mom.
So I had my son super early. So by the time, yeah, so by the time actually coming around, you know, starting to create this show, my son was a teenager. And then even, even at that point a few years later pass still was. Without children, no children and team. No. And by the time that Taz was like, you know what, no, I’m ready to have these kids.
And my son is getting out of high school.
Taz: Yeah. So it was grown and I’m like, I’m having kids, I’m having kids. And my best friend’s kid is grown.
It’s like, I was thinking on the way here. I was like, I was like, man, just, just that alone. You know what I’m saying? Just the differences between raising a kid in the late nineties and up versus. So my, my daughter, my first daughter, well, my first child was born in 2013. Like, come on. This is two different worlds.
Justice: Yeah, yeah.
Taz: It’s different worlds. Like we were talking earlier and I was logged into my daughter’s email address. My daughter is eight years old. Okay. I’ve had an email address for her for about two years, but the reason I set up the email address was because we were traveling. I wanted her to have. Her own travel number for the airline.
So she gets so she could get. Notifications? No. The points though. The reward travel rewards. Yeah. Oh, so, um, so yeah, so I was like, well, I can’t, I couldn’t connect it to my email address. So I had to create a new one. Well, now she has her YouTube channel. She has her Tik TOK, and now it’s all connected to that email address.
Well, that means I’m constantly checking that email address. Cause she doesn’t even know this email address exists. She just knows she has some, some other accounts wherever, and mommy set them up. She has no idea how, what, you know, all the, the back I’m I’m the producer. So, and Justin was like, I didn’t get my first email adress.
I was 16. Okay. Well at that age and our 16 email addresses, weren’t prevalent.
Justice: Like you had internet, you were like,
Taz: first of all, what kind of internet wasn’t dial up. You got to plug it in with the, uh, you, you can’t talk on the phone. Please, please. Don’t pick up the phone, unplugged all the phones.
Justice: Matter of fact, whoever’s whoever is editing this dial up noises!
Taz: I guess it’s like, so it’s just the difference.
And I like. Our age, because we actually grew up, have lived in it versus like, if we were in our sixties or seventies and still they lived in it, but they don’t really have to use it as like we’ve used all of this stuff. We didn’t just see it. We weren’t just like, Oh, they got some new stuff on. Nah, only thing we didn’t use is the big brain computer.
Taz: What is. It was around, but it was like the first computer,
Justice: Oh! The super computer!
Taz: Yeah! The super computer. We didn’t, we didn’t use that, but that could, we was young. We were still on Oregon trail.
Justice: Actually, actually when you think about it. Now we did do use those super computers cause they were phones now, that’s sad.
Taz: But the size of them!
Justice: They were like buildings.
Taz: Yeah, they got, they got the whole basement building.
Justice: You’re you’re right. Um, growing up during that time to be able to see all the innovation and technology. Cause I I’ll never forget. We went to go see a movie when we were 19 or so at Gulf point, uh, it was you, me State. We were doing something. I can’t remember the name of the movie.
But Stacy had a Motorola flip phone. She had that silver, Motorola flip phone and I was like, Oh shit. And you had that silver Samsung like sprint flip type-ish phone
Taz: Was it colored?
Justice: No it wasn’t colored.
Taz: was it the LG? It was a flip phone, tho?
Justice: No, it was a flip phone because you could see the screen.
Justice: Nokia did not have him at that time, but that was the thing I remember thinking to myself like that it was a motorola star Trek that the States Stacey had.
And you had that sprint. It was just like a screen.
Taz: And I was just like hanging up on people, but I ain’t got click now. You can’t even hang up. Right. You just got to click the button at the same effect.
Justice: I saw a TikTok that was hilarious. Where, uh, parents were talking to the kids. How would you hang up on a phone on somebody they were like, and I’m pressing my hand. Y’all cause the kids, I was just like, when their parents did this, they were like, why are you doing that?
Taz: No. My daughter asked me, Hey mom, um, were you alive when they had those phones that you could dial on, but you didn’t see anybody? I mean, I really want to be offended, but I’m like,
Justice: that seems so far away now was I was alive.
Taz: Yeah! I was, I was alive. I use, I use the house phone, um, like, and, and what I did tell her was before all of these smartphones, you add the cell phone and you still couldn’t see nobody honey
Justice: for a very long time! Texting don’t even get me started on the T nine. Don’t get me started on that! I hated that shit! But I think it was like Yahoo messenger. I remember that. That was it.
Taz: Oh shit. I can actually did have a yacht. Wow.
Justice: I hate you. We thought it was all cool. Cause you could change your little avatar and be all nice and cute and everything.
Yo. Yup. One thing when I was thinking about, you know, doing this entire show, and again, going back to the Jackie, I know where she was just like, I don’t either, you can’t have that type of friendship, having the social skills to be able to do that. I can’t say specifically that I had them. I’m not going to even lie because I know when I met you and I, when I met the, uh, the rest of our friends at that point in time in high school, Like I had had friends, but I did not have like actual close friends.
Dre D has been very good about messing with me all the time about a certain person that used to call her house all the time from middle school. And I’ll be like telling him, cause I, I w I was a very much, um, we not necessarily introverted. We are at school. I don’t fuck with you. You don’t fuck with me.
Like we hang out, it’s cold and or whatever we talk at school. That’s it. I don’t, I don’t really want to talk at your home cause I did not connect with those people, but I knew I could not get through middle school without them.
Taz: Wasn’t it. Wasn’t your thought? It wasn’t it wasn’t.
Justice: Um, I was only there a year.
Taz: Yeah, but I mean, it wasn’t something that it wasn’t something that you innately did. It was just, you understand that’s how you felt now. Yeah. Yeah. Um, you weren’t purposely, like, I’m just gonna use y’all to get through it.
Justice: And then I went to another school after that and, um, um, when I got to Persian, it was a lot better, but at that point in time, it was just, it didn’t work. I couldn’t. When I was at that one school for one year, I could not deal with them. Like I never connected with them. No one go see him again after this.
So it was just like, eh, let me hang out with y’all till, you know, when I got to Worthen and hanging out with child, I’ll never forget, you know, the career Academy thing. We all. We’re able to hang out. I think it was a week before.
Taz: Oh yeah. We all met each other and everything before school started.
Justice: I still think that that was an amazing idea for them to do, because throwing us into just like the meat grinder actually before the rest of the night, that would’ve been really, really bad, but for us to be able to bond.
Justice: Not bad, but I mean, it would have been, it would have been a different experience.
We, we wouldn’t have had the same high school experience. We were just thrown in. And like, I don’t even know that we would have known each other because the, the point of the program was we were all chosen put together and we all took the same classes. We were all, so we, we. We were around each other, all of high school.
Now, now there might be some, well, we had a larger class, so some students took classes with certain other students, but for the most part, we all. Knew each other got to know each other and it was a small family within the whole word. Yeah. The whole
Justice: Yeah! it was a school within a school
Taz: It’s like flipping awesome! Like I would
Justice: I would love for it. Yeah. The kids to be able to have that type of experience now. I mean, um, given the pandemic outside of that, it would have been amazing to be able to not only relate to the person that you’re going to be going to school with, but also just have that connection. I don’t even know.
How, I can’t even remember the day meeting you. I remember the day after meeting you. And the reason why I remember that is because I want to say from then on, he was like, that’s my best friend. And I remember thinking to myself after we met, was it dude, you claim after that. And the reason, the reason why I remember what you did, the reason why I remember that I was like, damn.
What do I do as a best friend? I’ll never forget asking myself
Taz: what’s messed up is I don’t remember having friends. Elementary school. I had like one friend per year. It was always the awkward kid. You know what I’m saying? And elementary school and middle school and high school, it was like, well, middle school.
Like when we got to high school, Natalie was there. So what, what happened with me and Natalie and middle school was we had a common front of me. So, yeah. So we kind of became friends because of that.
Justice: I never knew that. Yeah. So we had, so I had, uh, I had one awkward friend in middle school and from the sixth grade seventh grade.
And then what happened was Beyoncé and Kelly, Came to the school. So now everybody wants to be, it wasn’t Destiny’s child yet. They weren’t saying
Justice: Yeah but they were new. They were in the music business.
Taz: Right. And they were doing auditions. They was trying to do, try to find their last people. Right. And the girl just kind of had her nose wide open for Beyoncé and I’m like, okay. I mean, she cool and all. Yeah. But you, you might ask friends what’s going on and then Natalie, I don’t know how it happened.
But me and Natalie just got close in that time. So that’s how we became close. And then, okay. So then, you know, but me and Natalie we didn’t have like classes together. We didn’t have too much, you know, so it was up and down and then. I just then once we got to worthy, it was a familiar face. Like I had no idea w we hadn’t even talked about high school, nothing me and I just got,
and then you got to say, so Natalie had Kim, I don’t know how we ended up with Stacy.
Justice: Same thing with, um, the career Academy stuff. It was just like we were hanging out. Yeah, it was, we talked to her about,
Taz: So nobody knew her before.
Justice: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Now we were talking and stuff at that meet up in the first week and that was it.
Taz: Yeah. And it’s funny. Okay. So. Same with, so with wording, this first group, I I’ve kept as friends. Now, you know, we grow apart, but we always were, you know, we, we picked back up like, ain’t nothing, not never same thing with college. When I went to college, the first person I met, at college, I’m still from Shayla, first of all.
And it’s, it’s jacked up. Cause the way we met, I was sitting by myself cause you know, um, Despite my personality on house.
Justice: And how she sounds!
Taz: I’m really anti-social okay. Let me not say that I’m really an introvert. I’m social, but I am an introvert. I talk to people who I’m comfortable with and I’m comfortable with Justin, so I can talk, I can speak freely.
Um, but for the most part, I’m gonna sit here and I’m gonna think about everything that I wanted to say, and I’m probably not going to say nothing. Like maybe tell later, we’ll see. So college, I was just sitting, I was, I was sitting in the back of a comedy show. It was in, it was outside in like the quad, like what would be, I was sitting in the back and somebody walked up to the side of me and she was like, excuse me, are you by yourself?
And I looked and I was like, Yeah. And she was like, you not no, Mo! And took me with here, and I was like OKAY!
You know, so they do the same way you by yourself. No, no you’re mine
Justice: But it wasn’t, I don’t even know what we were talking about. What we bonded over. I cannot remember that. I just know the day after he was like, that’s my best friend. And I don’t know if you meant it. I don’t know if it was something that you just said.
It was just, like
Taz: No, if I said, it, I meant it!
Justice: It was just like, we clicked like that. And then afterwards, we, we continued to talk and do stuff like you didn’t even have my number. To talk on the phone. Cause
Taz: We didn’t no cell phones, they won’t even matter! All we can do is talk at school and when nobody else on the phone at home
Justice: But that’s yeah, but that’s what you did.
She was like, okay, I’ll call you when I get home and stuff like that. And I would give out my number clearly. I just didn’t answer the phone to some people. But once that week started for ninth grade, like that was it.
Taz: That was beat up. See, click on the bus. I don’t know. I don’t know how we all created such a bond with each other.
Justice: I don’t know either. Just, I don’t know, just, just being another being in school, different classes
Taz: But just why us and why, and why like, why so quickly.
Justice: I can’t tell, can’t tell you, I graduated in class, it was like 400 something people or something like that. And it’s people who came and got came and went, but yeah, it was just something about us as friends that. Worked.
Taz: Yeah. I mean this other co you know, I still see other people from her. I mean, on Facebook from high school that were, Oh, I don’t remember them together. Well, you know, like.
Justice: I don’t know how you do it.
Taz: I mean, I just, I just scroll through them. All right.
Justice: For an introverted person. I don’t know how you do it.
Taz: And people be knowing me too.
Justice: Yes, everybody. I don’t care where I go. If I went to work, did you know Rene? Oh, I’m sorry. Did you know Taz? And this is what kills me. They be like, yeah, she was a good friend of mine or she was my best friend or really. Real quick,
Taz: then you come to me and be like, did you know shushu, I don’t know anybody with that name. I mean, I’m very nice. Um, no,
Justice: you’re of course you’re a nice person. It’s just like, how did you know her? And not me. That’s what I always got. That’s what always got me. It’s just like, how did you know her? And not
Taz: I think that was more social in high school than I am now. Well, of course, I mean, but I mean, I just said I’m like, I’m, I’m introverted.
I think in high school it was because I was so comfortable with the people I was with. I could be social, you know, so I wasn’t trying to make new friends, like I didn’t care. Cause I had friends.
Justice: I think, I think you just hit the nail on the head as to why a lot of people aren’t able to do that. Why. Now it’s so hard.
They’re not comfortable actually. Just one being them two with the people that they’re actually trying to be friends, they’re trying to impress them. They’re trying to do this. They’re trying to let put on the show up. You literally just hit the nail on the head.
Taz: Cause you, you, you can’t truly be a friend to someone if you can’t even be yourself part, that means that person doesn’t know you.
Justice: Yeah! That makes so much sense.
Taz: So that that’s it. You can’t be around someone and be yourself and yeah, you’re right. You’re not friends.
Yeah. Yeah. Y’all ain’t for him.
Justice: Wow. That’s fuck. Yeah.
Justice: It’s a lot of people out here that have no idea. One who they are. So they damn show can’t be, it’s hard enough, especially in this day and age with social media and with the bombardment of like Instagram checks and women feeling like they got to compete. I think that’s really another thing while we all. We’re friends. I don’t think even any of us were like, I mean, we met her in her or I like that there was one friend, one mutual friend that we have, and we were talking, she was actually doing a training session with me and she was just like, I used to be so jealousy or not really what the fuck for, she was just like, I had depression, I had this, I had that, but she was going through stuff.
I didn’t know. Nobody knew at that time, but yeah, that was so foreign to me. I didn’t care. What you were doing, we were going to support you. I didn’t care what Natalie knew we’re doing. We’re going to support Kim, Stacy. All it did not matter, but I re I remember her saying that and just going like, dude, like.
I wish you would have said something because like, no matter what it was, even though you were still friends with Al we didn’t give a fuck about that. No. Yeah. Like she was just like, you guys were so, you know, beautiful. This and I was like, you’re gorgeous too.
Taz: Like, but she didn’t, well, we would never have made them feel any, like, but we weren’t those kinds of chicks.
Anyway, we weren’t like. Oh, you’re so pretty. we weren’t doing all of that.
Justice: It was just, you felt it. Yeah. No matter what.
Taz: Yes, yes. We didn’t have you’re right. We didn’t have to because nobody felt under somebody else. Nobody felt like they were like, we all are leaders. Yeah. But in different situations, different people lead.
So we weren’t fighting for the spotlight. We weren’t never, and I don’t even remember us ever having a group fight. You know what I’m saying? Where it’s like you two over there and we over here now we’ve had. Whereas like, ah, Oh shit, go with it. Go. And then it went okay.
Taz: Yeah. I can’t remember us having any disagreements or anything like that. You kind of like what you’re saying. It was just more like, yeah. I’m not into that or whatever, but it was never like, I’m about to down you about I’m going to harp on you for doing this type of study. It was never that I think that’s kind of like shaped me into. What I want is friends and who I got in my circle now.
And I think that may be why you’re not necessarily an introvert, but you’re selective about who you let in circles for that same reason. It’s just like, yo, have that feeling that kind of like radar, so to speak is tuned a little better. Yeah. Jackie had brought up the point again in the video and I hate to keep harping on it, but it was just, it was so powerful to me.
It just like, it hit me like a ton of bricks because I felt so bad that she didn’t have that. But I realized that it’s what we. Us as friends and me and you in particular is special. I do know that I just felt so bad for her. Cause she says that she’s never had that it’d be different if she said that she had a close friend that she was okay with, but she’s just like, she’s always had with friends have tried to use her for this or try to accomplish something for that.
And it’s that, that’s just the way it’s been. And she’s like, that’s just life. And I was no, no, that’s not like, but unfortunately. I think because like you said, just a little bit later as a millennial, I don’t even think she qualifies as a millennial. I don’t know, 34. I’m not sure. I’m not sure. Cause we’re barely millennials, but I think now I don’t know why it’s more prevalent than ever because you see it.
And I think again, social media has a real big part to play in it that I need to be on top. Thing that hustle culture that if, um, they doing it, I gotta be doing it bigger. If they doing this, I gotta be doing it better. It’s just like, why can’t you just clap and be supportive of them?
Taz: What I’m trying to figure out is how we got it. And so many others didn’t like, is it something that was taught to us? Is that why we were drawn to each other? Like, is it because I’m whatever I was told, I needed to talk to my daughter and I need my daughter to have friends that have it as well, because I, yeah. All this competition, uh, you know, you, you do want to be great.
Taz: You, you, you want your child to be great. You want to be a leader, not a follower or whatever, whatever, whatever, but what we need to understand is you can’t lead every single thing. Yeah. That’s what we understood it. Yeah. You can’t lead everything. I know. I’m the accountant of the group, I do taxes. Uh, this that’s what I do.
Don’t hand me the computer to do nothing. That’s Justice, Excel, Excel, and type of word document. That’s it. Now I know if I need to find out how to edit my daughter’s videos, who to call, like I have no problem. Hey, my daughter was like, she want a YouTube channel. And I say, well, I don’t know how to do that, but I know someone who does.
I’m a call auntie Justice. And auntie Justice said, all right, y’all come by Saturday. Yes, ma’am we’re there. Thank you. And we had a crash course in editing and then yeah, we got like, I know what, what our strengths and weaknesses are, and I don’t harp on my weakness. I don’t need to, because I put people around me that can build up that weakness.
And I hope that I can build their weaknesses. Well, whatever their weaknesses, it, like, you don’t want to people say, Oh, you don’t want to be the smartest person in the room, but I want to be the smartest at something.
Justice: Yeah. Yeah.
Taz: I want to be the smartest at something, but because otherwise I have no reason to be in the room.
They’re not going to invite me to the room if I’m not smart at anything, if I’m just the dumbest motherfucker here for no reason.
Justice: So that’s another good point that you actually just pointed out, like a lot of. CEOs business owners say exactly what you just said. They, you, you don’t have to be the smartest person in the room, but they know that if they surround themselves with the smartest people or people who are great in their different fields, you, the job will get done.
Taz: Exactly. And you’ve never all accountants who the hell don’t touch the computer.
Justice: I can’t, because we did not start out like that. But I think it’s just over time that we are allowed,
Taz: but I think we did. Really, I think we did start out like that. We just didn’t know. And we didn’t care because we were in high school, we were trying to be dancers and, and whatever the hell you was trying to do.
Justice: Yeah! I don’t know.
And you know, like it was just, we just did. Cause I I’m, I’m telling y’all right now. I was a dancer in the band. I’m always one second off. Like it don’t matter. I was a second off and it is what it is. First football game. I walked into a bass drum, whatever I had no business on the dance team, but somewhere in tryouts, I was always able to get on beat.
I don’t know, like one of the games, my friend, Jonathan, um, He was a photographer taking pictures and he literally mouthed to me. What are you doing? And I saw it and answered in the middle of dancing zero.
Justice: Oh my God.
Taz: Zero. But I had something that I brought to the table. I was taught, especially I was specialized dance. So I was ballet, tap, jazz. I was that type of dance, but we was at Wortham one, nowhere for that. Like, I couldn’t do work for nothing still. Can’t. I don’t, I couldn’t dance. It was all you now those girls, count one, two, three, one, five, seven, eight,
Justice: You got to scholar dance, that’s all that matters!
Taz: Barely! I can count one, two, tre, four, five, six, seven, eight, but when you put me on an eight count, I’m good. I got you. We be like, do your dance. I shuffle, I do shuffles.
Justice: Well, you know, what’s funny is now you got the, you would always have the line dancing. I’m steady. I’m steady going. Like, I don’t know what the fuck they doing
Taz: Look long. As long as I got just, all I got to do is move my feet. I’m good. Oh, I’m good. But once you start rolling and flipping and slip fluttering your body it’s time for the parking lot. I ain’t got it. But I know all the words to the sound bell.
Justice: You are stupid as hell.
Taz: That was my strength. I knew the words to the song. I was, I couldn’t, I couldn’t do no handstand and pop, pop, pop. You knew we had some, we had some people in the clique that could do the handstand and do it. I couldn’t do it. I didn’t. And I wasn’t mad at you cause I couldn’t do it. Yes. And what you do, you do? I build my sisters up.
Justice: That’s what I’m saying. I really don’t know if we knew that then we had to have had it. You’re right. I believe you’re right. I don’t know where it came from though. And how it did not overtake us over time, especially as overtake. So just like what you said, you know, you have where people are leaders, you have people who know that, okay.
When I need to do this, you need to do that. This is who I need to go to, how we did not let that divide us. Because I can’t say that that did not happen with other friends. Cause I already know. And you know that I’ve had other friends or people who I thought were friends at the time, basically you just, you know, like we ain’t friends, I got fucking,
Taz: But it wasn’t because it was leader versus following. Well, it wasn’t because of that. It was because people don’t know how to agree to disagree. You gotta remember in high school, there were some things that some of us did that some of us didn’t like I was a Verde until the click, you know what I’m saying? But it had nothing I wouldn’t worried about. Like, I wasn’t worried about that. Like, so I was like, okay, well y’all do what y’all do. And I’m like, yeah. I mean, now y’all you excluded. It will be a group to go smoke and they wouldn’t even let me smoke. Cause I was the jacket holder.
I held the jackets way away from the smoke because that was smart right? Way away from the smoke so that they didn’t smell like smoke. When they got home.
That was what I did. Like I didn’t, I didn’t smoke and I don’t know if I smoked or not. I don’t know. I never tried. I never could. Cause they was like, what we not going to do is have yo mama coming to kill all us. So you going to stand over there.
Justice: So you right. It was already in us. Yeah.
Taz: I wouldn’t worry. I was, I didn’t see that. I, I didn’t, I never saw, uh, I never felt like, Oh, I to do it. Why won’t y’all let me do never, never, it was just like, you ain’t know bruh you. Right. And we, we knew each other. We knew the do’s and the don’ts we didn’t trip on each other for any do’s or any don’ts.
We accepted each other. This is what it is. We accepted each other for who we were. And who we weren’t, it didn’t matter. Same, same right now we accept each other for who we are and who we are. Not, it doesn’t matter.
Justice: Yeah. I don’t think I’ve ever gone. Like, well, I want it to be like this. I want to, it was just like, she’s who she is.
I love her for her. And same with our other friends. But with you, it was, I was just like, she is who she is in. I’m never going to trip out that. And I know there have been times where kind of like what you said. Well, you know, we may not talk every day, but we still know.
Taz: If I go like it ain’t cause we mad at each other, except that one time you mad at me for like three days. But, um,
Justice: She can bring that up forever.
Taz: I was saying she was mad for three days out. I ain’t even know because I am who I am, but day three, I was like, The hell is gone out. You ain’t talking to me. I wasn’t it. Well, shit. Cause you have told me so, but
Justice: She was literally 20 years ago, but that actually helped our friendship too, because it was like that’s when you found out.
You have to tell tasks like you can’t just let no shit pass because anything I say or do, like I’m saying, I say stuff out of love. It’s sometimes it’s harsh or sometimes it’s inconsiderate fucked up. I’ve gotten better. I believe
Justice: I was just about to say
Taz: I believe I’ve gotten better. Yeah. That was part of me getting better.
You like, if you’re, if I can’t take that from you, if you can’t tell me. About me and how it makes people feel. When I do certain things, then what are you here for? You’re like, we’re supposed to help each other, but now I’m not saying, just go around talking about, Oh, you’re doing this wrong. Don’t do that.
But when it’s something that you’ve seen as consistent that you. After that you’ve told me, certainly now you haven’t told me like, Oh, I’ve hurt your feelings or whatever they, whatever, I’ll say something, I’ll be like, Oh, I was such a shushush. And she was like, yeah, you’ve always done. I’m like, Oh, damn, I want to fix that.
That was new. But, but I’m not, I don’t get mad at certain flaws that I have. Like, I’m not going to get mad at you for telling me the truth about me. That’s something I already know. And that’s where people get mad at people for telling them the truth about them. Now, now it’d be different. If it was an argument, you can’t talk at people talk, and we can have conversations about certain things that other people, Oh, I can’t talk to them about that.
Justice: Yeah, you are right!
Taz: Well, I thought I was free you right now. You might not be able to say it in any kind of way, but you should be able to. Bring something, bring it up a little bit, you know, if you, if I can’t talk, quote, unquote freely, I ain’t going to say 100%. Cause I know I got a lot of shit in my head that you, you know what I’m saying? It’s a lot of personalities.
Justice: I know most of them, so that’s all that matters.
Taz: But if I can’t be myself with anybody that I’m around, I want to be around.
Justice: Yeah. I think also. Being able to watch each other go through the journey of not only getting to know you, but getting to know each other as we go along on the journey was also, I guess, a part of it.
But like you said, if you hit any part of that and we have this friendship, I think it would have probably ended up like what Jackie’s talking about. Just being that friendship that just doesn’t go on or whatever, but because we were so open because we were so just. Truthful about it, whether it was ugly or not.
I think that is where we’re at. And I can’t tell you why I made that decision with you or anything else that goes on. I just knew that.
Taz: I think is because we do it for each other.
Justice: What I mean is it’s like, Where was that click where I was just like, I feel safe because I am a person who does have trust issues.
Taz: I went, it was, it was probably when I say, um, you’ll have one like that when the license,
Justice: Fuck you, can’t stand you.
Taz: That statement is the friendship right there.
Justice: I can’t, not at all. Oh, Hey, Hey Tate. I, I always think about that because I’ll have, even now I’m not going to even lie for, and people always kind of look at me crazy when I say I’ve had a, my longest relationship is like 25 years and they’re going like. But you’re single. I know that.
Taz: But people think relationship and they think romantic girlfriend, boyfriend relationships. Relationships, come also as friendships.
Justice: Exactly. Exactly. And to be friends with someone first that you basically did not have anything. No reason. Yeah. None, no, nothing basically to. Get out of this, you start off that way and then you continue on in there and it builds to something like you say, it’s more than that sisterhood at that point, it’s almost cosmic.
It’s like biblical type stuff. You just can’t really feel it. You can’t touch it. You know, it’s there though.
Taz: Yeah. Well, I say that because I did that family, you know, connection because, you know, I have cousins from all walks of life. I never would have known them if they were not blood, you know what I’m saying?
So, but I love my cousins regardless of what they’re into, what they’re not into, what profession, what you know, I love them. And that’s why. Bam. Bam. You got a lot of people that don’t even live their family. That’s true. But that’s a different story. We, we, we were raised to love each other and to have each other’s backs, no matter what.
Yeah. Cause our aunts, our mothers who our sisters had each other’s back, no matter what I remember my mom, my mom had three sisters. My mom wasn’t talking to one of her sisters. So to me, that meant we ain’t talking to one of her sisters and it was a holiday. And I called the other two sisters.
And I didn’t call that sister and my mom almost choke slammed me for not calling her sister. She didn’t care what was going on between. Her and her sister, it had nothing to do with you and your auntie. That is your aunt. You don’t call your aunt on how you, you know, you show, right. Hey auntie., merry Christmas. Cause I mean, she was right.
And I think from, from that example, I realized that I was like, Oh, so this is okay, this is how it’s supposed to be.
Justice: You can’t separate it.
Taz: But, but before that, it was like, if you mad, we mad, but it shouldn’t be like, if, if, if they didn’t do nothing now, if okay. So if I met someone through you and you don’t fuck with them no more, then I’ll fuck with them no more because it wasn’t my friend, but if we are, but, but like, let’s say somebody in BWC piss you off and I, I.
I mean, I ain’t going to be like, come to Justin’s house with me, but I ain’t going to be like, Oh, I can’t fuck with you. Cause Justin don’t fuck with him.
Justice: But I think that would be the first thing. You’d be like, I need y’all to work this out. I’m not dealing with all this.
Taz: Definitely the peace, peace, peace, the cake.
Justice: So you basically hit the nail on the head earlier with that, with people not being able to make those connections nowadays. And I don’t know if we’ll ever be able to say what specifically it was. I don’t really care at this point. Honestly. I know we have it eventually. We’ll be able to tell somebody else who got it and maybe we could bottle it and sell it actually.
No, because then it wouldn’t be as special.
Taz: Praying that my daughter has. Friendships that cancer pass the test of time. Like all of our, I really do cause I it’s a blessing.
Justice: Yeah. And to have that security.
Taz: I don’t, I, I do feel for Jackie and whomever has never had, it has never felt it has never felt it’s unconditional.
Justice: Truly, it truly is.
Taz: Unconditional in it. And, and it’s hard to, it is hard to see. It is hard for people to have it’s it’s unconditional.
Justice: I had an epiphany, I think another reason why a lot of people can’t be able to find it, especially when it comes to friendship, friendship, they look for kind of like what you were saying before in a relationship romantically.
And they’re like, it’s very hard to find that in romantic relationship, In general, but then to put the friendship aspect also on a real, a romantic relationship where you have all of these thoughts, these feelings and things like that, and you haven’t actually been able to be comfortable with them because we’ve already established that a lot of people aren’t comfortable with them in the beginning and they don’t want to be themselves.
And then say, well, romantic relationships, aren’t this format, friendships. Ain’t that? And they just basically put it all on the other person to this. Another thing, I think that’s a, that’s a, that’s a real big part of it. They, they wanted in a romantic relationship, maybe even having a friendship, friendship, or family or all it.
Taz: Yeah. That’s so sad. I, I was an adult before I realized that people really got family issues. Like. Justice: What?
Taz: I was a whole adult, and I didn’t know that it was people that really didn’t talk to the other siblings or that re like, not, not like I haven’t spoken to them, but no, like I don’t S with them, don’t whatever
Like, I ain’t talked to them in five years because of whatever, whatever, and we angry and we don’t talk. Yeah. I mean, it was me, but I didn’t talk to my parent. Yeah. You can talk to your mom. You came out from her.
Well, Mondi and mine came on my stomach, but same concept. I wish girl. And I was saying like three days, I’m saying like, Years. I ain’t talked to my mom in 20 years,
Justice: 20? But you hope that they are able to find that peace to be able to have that again, but it doesn’t have to be with their mom, mom.
Taz: Oh, I’m not mama on or whatever.
Justice: Just have that security.
Taz: That’s your first line of what you’re doing for the rest of your life.
Taz: Like that’s yeah. Thank you, girl. That’s the blueprint you come, yo, yo mama, your daddy, your siblings or whatever.
However, your makeup, your family makeup is at home. Yeah. That’s your first, that’s your blueprint? That’s it? That’s the first. So if it’s fucked up, then it’s a, probably 20% chance. Just depends on how to fucked up ish. Yeah, I know. But it’s also some people that they had is fucked up and they decide. Oh, I’m not going to be fucked up.
Justice: Yes, yes.
Taz: And they go the whole totally opposite way, but they still don’t fuck with these people. That’s true. Which it’s possible. That’s growth for them as well.
Justice: Yeah. Yeah, it happens.
Taz: Cause if I know that this is the toxic part over here, and I don’t want the toxicity, but it’s relationships, friendships, cruise, ships, relationships.
That’s all love them. Friendships family ship, boyfriend, ship, girlfriend, ship all the ships, the cruise ships there. They’re already hard because you’re putting. Two people that are not, uh, like you, you shit, you can have twins that ain’t alike.
Justice: Oh Lord. Don’t get started on that.
Taz: Putting two people together. And they supposed to be like, Oh yeah, we going to be together forever.
Now we got to figure it out. I’ll figure it out. But a lot of people can’t figure it out. Maybe they don’t want to figure it out.
Justice: That’s another thing too. Some people are just tired. It’s, it’s a lot on them. Just life in general. So they don’t want to which again, I get.
Taz: But it was just Sam be abused and stuff.
Justice: No, again, this all came about, I was just listening to Jackie and that just hit me. Like I’ve always had this sentiment. Like I knew I was lucky having you, having Dre D and other people necessarily in my life. But when she said that, just like you, you’re not going to have, that’s just not reality. I was like, damn.
And now remember in high school, some people saying that to us, like, you’re not going to be friends after this.
Taz: Well, it was just, look, I block out bullshit.
Justice: You stupid. But no, it would be like teachers and stuff. She’d be like, yeah, it’s just, it’s just life. You know, you’re not going to be friends.
Taz: Steal a block out the books.
Justice: And I know right now I can’t see my life without you. So you doing. Anything, if you try, you think about, you know, taking your money out of savings and leaving and stuff like that and come home with a dear John letter, not renewing.
Taz: I’ll send you a postcard.
Justice: I’m tracking Jane and I’m getting no, no.
Taz: I don’t think I’ll take him a key. If I pack my stuff.
Justice: I need Jesus.
Taz: That’s cute. Yeah. And just like, I don’t know. We met, we, we. No issues with any community, but we’re straight females. Is that the proper term gender? Yeah, I don’t black. I don’t know what we’re supposed to call us.
Justice: Yeah. Again, no, we’re not trying to find it.
Taz: We just support the LBGT. Community, but, uh, we are. And so when she says, dear John letter, she’s not saying that we live together and we’re lovers.
Justice: We’re not, um, yeah, that’s another thing. Why does it always have to go there? We just kind of be friends. I think, uh, you know, non, let me take that. I’m not gonna start there. That is not the topic for another show.
Alright. I wanna thank Taz. You know, she’s always on here. She’s got the most PTO on the show, so, but I want to thank Taz for coming in for a special episode. I think I used my
Taz: Oh, Oh, before we end. Well, it is not Wednesday night. It is close to, I don’t know when this will air, but happy birthday, Justin!
Justice: Thank you!!
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