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The success of video games as part of pop culture is hardly something new but returning a game after you’ve completed it? Yes, that’s definitely a new thing. In this episode, Jules and Justice will be chatting about gamers purchasing, completing and returning games within a 2-hour period, how to avoid being hacked, Techtober and the controversial Only Fans.

Jules  

Hello, everybody. Welcome to episode number 27 of the cool Black Nerd podcast. This is cobalt. I’m your host, Jules, we have our co hosts that everybody loves and is the best. Alright, thought, you know, introduce yourself,

 

Justice  

but that tickled me outside I guess. I have that recorded and played every time I’m about to walk into a room.

 

Jules  

Okay. All right, that’ll work. So Justice. It’s been a while.

 

Justice  

It’s been a minute, people have been asking what happened to cool Black Nerd and it was just like, Hey, 2021 things that

 

Jules  

What happened? Yeah, things happen. We still hear though, stuff happens in life. Not anything bad happened. Let me say that. No, no, nothing bad is happening. That’s all. Yeah. So so good. We’re back. We’re ready to get going with some new episodes for you guys. And I think we can just hop right on out the gate here

 

Justice  

do and let’s do it.

 

Jules  

So yeah, so right out the gate steam. Everybody that plays games is probably familiar with steam, especially if you’re playing games on pc, right steam is a pretty good little platform that allows you to purchase games, it helps to keep track of a library. In general, I think they do a pretty good job of just being a pretty engaging store for games, like you can have little avatars, you can share screenshots, share your videos, they have achievements and stuff like that. So in general, it’s a pretty cool place. But lately, there have been some smaller developers, like indie developers, which in general steam is actually very good about helping those kinds of developers out with Steam Early Access, so people can purchase and play games before they’re technically fully ready for a full release. But you can get a great idea of what these games are going to be like, if you see some great success, like with Valhalla, like that game was in early access. And in early access, it’s probably selling more than like some triple A games, right? But we have an example of a small developer putting out a game like a horror game. It’s kind of like one of those story based horror games that people are like right now, they’re actually pretty popular. But this game is a little less than two hours long. And for Steam that leads to a problem.

 

Justice  

It’s not actually a problem that you would think about as a consumer who is legit. Let’s take that.

 

Jules  

Yeah, yeah. Somebody who would purchase a game and keep it and not seek a refund for no reason.

 

Justice  

And that being you have those idiots out there. Yeah, everybody.

 

Jules  

So the issue is steam has a return policy, even just a blanket return policy for all games. Once you purchase them, you have a two hour window, no questions asked to get a refund after you purchase a game. So in this particular case, and in some other cases, too, obviously, when a game is shorter than two hours, people can purchase the game, play it to completion. And I believe in this particular case, he said people were actually leaving a positive review, and then getting a refund on the game. It’s

 

Justice  

crazy. So as Joel said, a lot of the time on Steam, you’re able to find these kinds of niche games that you wouldn’t be able to find in a lot of places. There are other ways to do this. Of course, you have the epics platform, or they will be soft stuff. But that’s mainly for triple A titles and things like that. They rarely have areas for smaller developers, steam gets flack for their percentage they take and everything like that. But honestly, if you want your stuff to be known, we kind of go to steam just kind of the way it is. So Amiga games, which is if I’m not mistaken, a one man studio,

 

Jules  

right? Yeah, that’s the impression that I got is literally one guy.

 

Justice  

Yeah, they’ve been putting out Well, he’s been putting out about one game a month or something like that. And they’ve been really engaging, kind of like experiences for about an hour and a half or so. And not everybody is wanting to plop down 60 bucks to do weeks, depending on how you play the gameplay, some people just kind of want to get into it, be immersed and be done. And the games that they put out aren’t unbeliev over 10 bucks, but you have people who have actually gone out. And if you look at all of the games that Amiga Games has actually put out, every single one has had either very positive or positive reviews on them. But what they were showing is a lot of those people who did the positive reviews, honestly turned around and just got the refund for the game and was like what the hell and it’s just a loophole of the policy by seeing who kind of had based off of these other titles that where you’re playing hours and hours. Just like if you’ve gotten into it an hour and you really don’t like it Okay, let me get my money back. But if the game is over in an hour, people are taking advantage of that. Now, what’s your take on that? Let me accept first,

 

Jules  

I think that there should probably be a different policy for shorter games. But I say that recognizing that if I’m steam, that means I have to put in more resources into verifying what is and what is not a short or long game, right? Because even games that are intended to be over two hours, there’s probably a possibility that I could just rush through a game and get it finished. And then there’s games that some people might take 20 minutes, other people might take days to get it done. So I don’t know what the balance is there. I’m not sure how you would find it. But I think ultimately, there should probably be a different policy, or maybe there needs to be an amendment to the policy, because I’m pretty sure steam can tell if you’ve completed a game or not. Right? Okay, well, most games have an achievement that you get after you beat the get theme knowing you got that as well. So at that point, to me that I’m saying like, if you get that achievement, maybe you’re not able to get the refund, and it’s just on the developer to have an achievement in the game that says, hey, this person beat the game.

 

Justice  

That’s exactly what I was about to say they would be on a developer to do all of that. And honestly, every single thing that is listed, that you’re able to accomplish by or have access to, is because on the backend side, the developer has listed all of this. I think if you had something that was like a check mark, this is like a two hour experience or something like that. Maybe that will work. But again, that goes back to you saying valve basically putting in more time to develop yet more checks and balances artificial intelligence to understand what is happening there in order for that what they’ve already done. But I’m also kind of like you knew this two hour policy going into, and you still made a one and a half hour game. And that was a possibility. When you saw it happening on the first game you put out, you still did it on the next game. So I’m kind of going like, you don’t want to put this out, make this game two hours and five minutes, nothing. But his thing is you don’t want to prolong the game artificially, and ruin the experience. And like any new experience for you, I feel like I need you to think about you a little bit more, or add in some puzzles or so I don’t know, that would make it just a little bit more over those two hours. I understand wholeheartedly that this is a loophole. But you knew this going in is kind of like for people who order from Amazon and you say in an apartment complex, and you know, nobody is there to pick up your packages, you don’t have a front office or something, you know that either you’re going to have to have it delivered someone else, or you run the risk of somebody just walking off with your stuff. And I need you to kind of think of some other options that you could do i get i get i thank you so much for making these immersive, wonderful because I actually played one of them. Great games. I wholeheartedly get that. But I need you to protect yourself a little bit better, be a better businessman, when it comes to this. You can’t just go well, this isn’t fair. And I’m glad in the end, the support that came out for people after he tweeted like I can’t do this anymore. It just sucks that I keep putting out these games. And I’m getting these enormous returns even though these people are leaving one comment.

 

Jules  

Yeah, all of the games are getting these great comments and reviews. It’s one of those rare situations to me where it’s like the developer is sort of at fault. You’ve seen this happening before. So why not make a longer game? Right? On the other hand, what is his vision for his games? I mean, maybe he just doesn’t want games that are that long. But if you’re at 90 minutes it is another 30. But how does that affect the quality of the game? I say that because I think that hopefully people will understand this relationship. But I think about some albums that I’ve listened to like the Carter five, like the last big new Lil Wayne album had a lot of songs on it. And I felt like a good amount of the songs were mediocre. So if those songs hadn’t been there, like if it had gone from I don’t even remember how many songs it actually was. But let’s say it went from 20 songs to 12, those 12 songs were all really good or great. And it would have been a really good, great album, but because he had those extra songs, it wasn’t that good. So would that same thing happen with the game like he’s got 90 great minutes of the game. And if he adds 30 just what ends up being fluff is still considered a good game. Maybe not

 

Justice  

maybe listed as a DLC or something. I don’t know. It definitely needs more planning. If you see that this is an issue. Yeah. And a big company like Valve isn’t going to take a hit for you. What can you do in the meantime? Yes, it’s something that needs to be taken care of. I wholeheartedly agree I need to be able to stop people from doing this. But also you don’t want to have an anti consumer policy as well. I mean, because everybody hates buying anything from PlayStation. The PlayStation three does not matter if you could not download it. If you could not open it anything if your thing just brick that day, as long as you clicked to download there like you cannot get a refund. Period PlayStation they give you no money back. Yeah,

 

Justice  

I don’t care.

 

Jules  

Surprisingly the only game they’ve refunded you, I’m sorry. But that game came out in a bad state. The state was so bad that the PlayStation Store, who does not refund anything, gave refunds for the bad as well as bad. Yeah. But yeah. So on the flip side of that, you know, it’s like, what does the steam do? like they’ve got their policy. Everybody knows the policy and it in general, it works. Right.

 

Justice  

I definitely want to keep tabs on this speaking, you know, as a, we’re game lovers. But I’m seeing both sides on this one right here. And I’m kind of more on the Steam side on this is like, dude, we’ve set up all of this, you saw that this has happened? And we could step in maybe one or two times. But if you see this continue to happen, and you continue to make these games under our policy. I don’t know what else to do to be able to cover you.

 

Jules  

Yeah, I think I’m inclined to agree with that. I mean, at the end of the day, it’s a policy that’s been published, everybody knows it. So you have to figure out whether or not to put your game on Steam, put it on a different platform that might be a little bit better for you. I don’t know about the humble bundle. That seems to be a pretty good one, too.

 

Justice  

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that on the bundle. That’s awesome. There you go. I mean, at least you don’t want to have to worry about somebody hacking your stuff and putting your game out there for free. Like some second favorite,

 

Jules  

I think it is my second favorite. Now I think Activision might be everybody’s second favorite game developer. So they got Hey, why don’t you tell us how they got hacked before we talk about what? stolen?

 

Justice  

Okay, so yeah, they are the Great’s of, if I’m not mistaken, like FIFA, and the whole Madden series and things like that. And microtransactions at the end, yeah. If you’re a gamer, they’re synonymous with just bad consumerism when it comes to pretty much anything. So in this time of security breaches, data breaches that are happening all the time, we saw what happened on the pipeline a few months back not too long ago, same thing actually happened to EA. And when I heard about this, I was just like, dude, like, it had to be just some Mission Impossible. Thomas Crown Affair type Ocean’s 11. Type. Heck, that’s what it had to be right there, you would think so? No, somebody was able to get ahold of one cookie, have a slack ID login is that person requests peredo cool

 

Jules  

network access via chat in slack. And that was it. Alright, so for the non technical people explaining because this is what it sounds like, to me, it sounds like they were able to get in slack. And like, literally just send a message to someone in slack that said, Hey, I need access. And it was great.

 

Justice  

I’m pretty much pretty much so it essentially is like, Well, I mean, if you don’t know what slack is, it’s just one of the instant messaging tools that most business companies use is similar to teams, Skype, things like that. It is one of the biggest ones that came up during quarantine and things like that. But it is essentially me getting your phone, calling your mortgage company and saying I need a key to your house and then going oh, here you go. Just because they’re not asking. nobody’s asking no questions. Oh, why Max?

 

Jules  

needed him to put it in the mail to you right now?

 

Justice  

Exactly. That’s it? Nothing. There were no verifications. No security questions. And hell, I would have would have settled for that stupid. Is this a road? verification? Those pictures that they have? Is this about? Is this a bridge? something that happened?

 

Jules  

Oh, oh, my goodness. So turns out, they actually were able to get a lot of stuff with that. So they got the source code for FIFA 2021. I think that EA is the biggest game even bigger than men. I know, we may not believe that here in the States. But it is probably their biggest game worldwide. And then they also got the source code for the Frostbite engine, which is the engine that EA uses to create all of its games every single game. So that means that the hackers potentially were able to give people FIFA 2021 for free. And then they were also able to sell the source code for the engine to other bad actors or to anyone really. And with that information, people have the ability to create their own games using the Frostbite engine. So games that look exactly like EA games, they could create hacks. Were all EA games, they could do the EA unfortunately no for microtransactions they could do things where they can give people all of the microtransactions stuff for free.

 

Justice  

It’s open season now. Basically, it is yeah, honestly keys to the castle for this. I hate to compare this CD Projekt RED who is the company who put out cyberpunk actually had the exact same thing happen, but it was to a lesser extent. So it wasn’t the complete source code they had encryption on sorry. In part, so it’s useless without it, but they were also able to get financial information for the company, as well as employee information. So this sounds really bad to say, on the CD Projekt. red side, it’s a lot less of an impact to the company, rather than what’s happened to EA. Because currently, right now, anything that you were doing or have done in the past is open season that there’ll be some sort of hack, exploit or vulnerability to be exploited, because all they have to do is reverse engineer anything you did, and they have everything to do. So you would have to start from scratch and build something completely different from now until forever. So anything that you use before you can no longer use, whereas with CD Projekt, red you created about to mess up somebody come by a Zamboni or something you name possibly, but again, that’s personally it’s not the company being like, okay, we don’t know what we’re supposed to do now. Like, the options that you have are just, you can no longer use anything that we’ve used previously, before, that we built this company on period. That sounds so bad to say, but it’s the truth

 

Jules  

that you’re right. For consumers, the CD Projekt RED was worse, but for a company EA is man, potentially, if they’re smart, honestly, they’ll just pay the hackers to not sell this stuff to anyone, but they’ll sell it back, unfortunately. And man, how do you verify that though? Jesus?

 

Justice  

Well see, that’s the thing. They’re always smart about it. They always give Oh, this is a taste of what we have. And you can verify it just from seeing portions of the source code.

 

Jules  

Well, yeah, you’re right about that. But I mean, like, so if I’m EA, and I’m like, Okay, I see you guys are selling it for whatever I’ll give you, I don’t know $50 million to not sell it and give it back. Right? How do I verify that you didn’t just make a copy of it and still sell it anyway? There’s no way right, man, thanks. But I don’t know. But I’m gonna say this too. There have been a lot of hacks recently. And just even in the past few years, I guess for me with a lot of these hacks. My question is, as a society, like, what do you do about it? Because a lot of this is a huge problem, right? Like people’s information is getting out there. I remember when that big credit card company got hacked to see like the Congress did an investigation. There weren’t any real consequences. But they asked the CEO what he thought they should do about and he was like, you really just need to give everybody new social security numbers, start over the credit reporting agency, was it Equifax or Experian? Okay, okay. Yes, like half of the United States? Yeah, information was exposed?

 

Justice  

Yeah. Okay.

 

Jules  

That’s what I’m talking about. And I’m just saying, like, what do you do about it, and with the recent hacks that we’ve seen in the news, a lot of the reporting is like, these hacks are happening, and they’re bad, but everybody’s gonna forget about and then like a week,

 

Justice  

That’s the thing, it isn’t until you have, like, overseas, they’ve been able to do some real, real cataclysmic stuff like turning off power and water to cities in certain areas. So I don’t think people are really going to take it seriously until that happens in a bigger city, like it’s been in smaller cities. And it’s actually happened in a few hospitals, where people will just click on a link. And that’s it. And it does not take a lot. That is if you do not take anything else from this episode. Today. It does not take very much to be able to be hacked, barsoum ea stuff. Don’t click on suspicious links. And what I mean by suspicious links is anything from anybody you do not know. Always check, recheck, and recheck, again, anything that is missing to you. And that has a link and I don’t care who it is from, if you have to call that person up. And you know, this is a society that does not like to call people right now. And question whether or not they see anything with a lake. Yeah,

 

Jules  

I mean, I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. Even me, I’ve been getting random Facebook Messenger messages from people who, you know, it looks like oh, this is one of my childhood friends, Monte. So I don’t know, man, start asking questions that you know, they got this the wrong answer. A friend got four daughters to ask him back. Hey, how’s your son doing? Yes, he had a response. So I don’t know, you definitely have to take the time to protect yourself. Learn how these hacks are going to happen. I mean, I don’t want people to be terrified, right? Like, if there’s a hack that’s complicated enough or sophisticated enough, you’re gonna get hacked, but don’t be the person that gets an email. And it’s like, hey, I need you to type your password in this box. Right? Don’t do that.

 

Justice  

And the reason why I say that is this is not being spread out. But there are companies that do go after those people who initiated the hacks. Some companies, I’m not gonna say some companies, I think actually every company probably would, you’re going to be fired, period. Yeah, but also what, but what restitution would they try to get from you for it if that makes any sense? If that in and of itself doesn’t kind of make you want to be a little bit more vigilant when you’re doing it? I don’t know what else Well, I think it’s a better situation than Activision too.

 

Jules  

I’m sorry, I couldn’t help it. Okay, so from everybody’s second favorite developer to everybody’s favorite developer so here’s a man oh Activision my my my my might have fallen.

 

Justice  

Oh my, like Joe said EA is hated mainly for microtransaction and the consumerism stuff that they do. Activision, they did some scummy stuff sometimes, but it was always like, I’m not as bad as gay. Until

 

Jules 

Oh, man. Yeah, you’re right, man. EA was like the original anti consumer company. Activision was like, you’re right. We’re not as bad as EA. But now man, we’re finding out that Activision has a culture problem, just rampid culture, probably this is after all of this stuff came out before, like maybe two or three years ago, they had a huge deal with discriminating against people pay inequality, sexual harassment problems, just all of the things that can be wronged in a workplace were wrong at Activision. At that time, there was a lot of blowback. There was not a lawsuit at that time, I don’t believe. But now, after they supposedly fixed all the problems, that appears that all of that stuff is continuing. Yeah, completely.

 

Justice  

I mean, so just to give you a little bit of background on it, it is that I always get this messed up. The California Department of Fair Employment and Housing, filed a lawsuit in July of this year with numerous complaints of unlawful harassment, discrimination and retaliation from the company. And it was basically listed, and this is quote, unquote, in the lawsuit documents, frat boy culture, and a breeding ground for harassment and discrimination against women. So they would have put crawls or forgot what it’s called, like, do cube crawl, sorry, cube crawls, where it’s basically the guys are so drunk, they would be crawling around on the ground and giving their work to the women. And it was like, Okay, get it done all of their work, just because they’ve been so shit faced as they come in to do it. Another woman, another black woman, anytime that she would ask to take the leave that she had the PTO that she had accumulated, she had to write an essay as to why she was taking this off. Other times, they have what are called lactation rooms for women to be able to breastfeed their children or pump numbers to their chairs, I’m sorry, the pump in these rooms and be isolated from everybody else, whereas you would, because you got some breast out trying to pump. You don’t do that. Some people don’t just say that the men will kick the women out to have meetings there. The most horrible one is when a young lady took her own life, after nude photographs of her were shared around a work function that she was at when she was on a trip. It was a work trip with another male co worker, and he got new photos of her he shared around the entire group. I’m sorry, not the entire group, but the entire function, the males that were there, and she took her life in the hotel room. It’s just women would have vibrators and dildos and stuff on their date is crazy. The other one that is so sad is that when they would have Blizzcon, which was an annual Blizzard event, they actually had a conference C suite. And I say I say Cosby, because they literally had a picture of Bill Cosby in the room. And they knew what it was for. There’s a text chat that they were able to get from, I believe it was 2015, maybe 2016. And show on is like, okay, we’re trying to get her to the cosmi. Sweet. So we can, and this is after everything came out about positive or whatnot. And basically saying, you know, what this is for is to pop pills and drug women or some shit like that. It was just terrible stuff like that. You can’t make up for how bad this place was. And the reaction of this was in the beginning, Activision is going like, Oh, of course, we don’t condone any of this. They are lying. This is blown out of proportion. Some of this stuff happened 10 years ago, and this was a woman, the head of the female alliance in Activision, sitting that out.

 

Jules  

Yeah, I actually remember that. I do remember that.

 

Justice  

And it just gets worse and worse from there because that the acting president at that time, said something similar, even went on to Twitter to make his case along with the other woman who was ahead of the Alliance for women at the company. They are going back and forth with people and we start blocking people who wouldn’t, I guess, listen to her opinions and the barbs that she was throwing. I mean, it just got worse and worse and worse. The latest thing is that they’ve added new charges, the activism lawsuit, where apparently they’ve been telling the employees Oh, you can’t talk to the Department of Fair Employment and Housing, talk to our lawyers first, tell us what you’re going to say and then talk to them. Why did you not think that was gonna be better? I don’t know. It was a snowball effect. I cannot believe how bad this was getting for them. Because the President’s going to the lady who sent out the email because I can’t remember her name. I apologize for that. Who sent out the email basically, berating all of the women who this came to, she’s like, well, this never happened to me here. So it’s not real, it’s really, really bad. And Ubisoft, which is another gaming development. So yeah, it kind of just sounds like in general, if you just worked at a gaming studio, it was just crap. Unless you were higher up. I mean, maybe because it will be soft like the one before that was Yeah, yeah. Now Activision is like holding my beer. There are a lot of people who are boycotting Activision. And the games that they actually put out as far as Activision Blizzard, I’m sorry. So like World of Warcraft, Call of Duty, Liga, legends, all of those people were just like them, I don’t want to support a company like this, their stock has taken a nosedive. But I don’t actually know if this is gonna make a dent in the price, because they’re one of the most profitable stocks. But the way that this keeps going, getting worse and worse, you’re not going to be able to pull any great talent, because all the people that you had, that were doing this are the ones that are accused in this lawsuit, and on the way out. So who are you going to be able to pull in now?

 

Jules  

Probably no one? I would hope no one. So what do you think you have to change the culture of that entire company, right? Like, I feel like to fix it, you almost have to get rid of everybody at the top.

 

Justice  

Everybody, you got to start here, you almost got to start completely over. So the CEO, that was his initial reply to it, it was a rush to file an inaccurate complaint. That was how he started off his email to the company when this first came out. But apparently now they’re trying to get like secret settlements, like I told you, you speak to our lawyers first. Also signed NDA is. So you can’t say anything. If you want to continue working here. You got to sign an NDA and stuff like that. Look, it’s every time I thought like they couldn’t get any shade here. They were like, we got to another level. That was just the mid boss. We haven’t even reached the big boss yet.

 

Jules  

Yeah, I do understand that. Yeah, I’m not gonna say you’re incorrect about that. For sure. Yeah, definitely get that. But I think at least my thought process would be by getting rid of people at the top, because those are the people who kind of sit me in a good company, at least those are the people who said what the culture is going to be like for the company. So as you start having less and less tolerance for what’s going on there. Now, ultimately, those people will find their way out. Like it’s definitely not an overnight thing. And I absolutely get what you’re saying. Like they would definitely be people who can try to hide who they are, for as long as they can. But over time, I feel like eventually, it’ll just get better and better and better. Hopefully, in the end, hopefully, they’ll also change some of their practices regarding microtransactions and stuff. But that’s not their big problem right now. Yeah, they got a few, I guess some other things.

 

Justice  

First, yeah, I mean, but all that is, we’ve been talking about some horrible things. I’ll say that. But everything isn’t bad in the tech sector, or whatever. There is some good stuff coming up. Depending on who you are. If you listen to this show, you clearly have an affinity for either gaming tech culture. So there’s good stuff coming.

 

Jules  

So tech tober is right around the corner. I’m kind of excited about it. One of the products that I was most excited for is already out. Really? Yes. Yes, Samsung fold phones. Am I gonna buy them? Probably not because they’re incredibly expensive. But to me, they’re very cool. Like, I’ve had a chance to play with the fold. In the past, you know how that thing was just like you could, it was messed up. Okay, that first of all, was really messed up. If you got dust inside, the ball was going bad. So like, if you put it in your pocket, you might as well throw it in the trash. But this one is not that way, like this one now is water resistant, dust resistant, seems pretty durable. That inside the folding screen, it has to fold so it’s not really like a hardcover on that, but they give you a stylist to use, which to me alleviates any problems with you accidentally breaking it yourself by pressing on it too hard. And then the other one the Z flip, which is kind of like it’s like those old Motorola razrs. But when you flip it open, it’s just one big long screen.

 

Justice  

When the razor the razor razor is like Yeah, I like it. I was really looking forward to seeing how they did the phone like you watch everything on those when they first came out and just seeing people destroy it because they didn’t know Oh, you can’t take that covering off and there’s nothing on it to say don’t take the cover off is so heartbreaking to watch because that’s like a $3,000 phone at that time. And they just ripped it out. And then next you know, you see the screen start to mess up. It was heart wrenching, but the phone I really wasn’t looking forward to like I was the flip. Because the previous flip that they had, it intrigued me because I’m sorry, I don’t always want to have this big ass long phone in my pocket. Having the ability to be able to flip it. I was like, Oh, it’s kind of cool. I like that if I need to open it. Yeah. And also, I don’t know if this works on this phone, but I kind of miss just hanging up on people like that just smash. Flip somebody. Okay. And just hang it up with emphasis. Yeah, yeah. That’s good. You mean a little bit. Also, I was looking forward to the headphones. For those. I’m a person who loves to workout. And it is very, very hard to find earbuds that work sound good, and are sweat resistant. And then nothing here has been having a lot of buzz. So check those out. They are a bit pricey, I will say that they’re around like 200 bucks, but from everything that I’m hearing, and even when I was able to see them in the store, it wasn’t Best Buy. It was like a pop up type tech thing that I was able to go to. It was very, very cool. And it sounded really, really great. But I know everybody’s not gonna be able to want to spend that type of money on headphones or earbuds or anything like that. But if you want sound and you want something that actually is pretty great. As far as the way it works in controls and things like that, I would definitely check out the nothing here. And for my vlogger people, the face mount, I’m sorry. Yep, it was a face tracking mount from Belkin. So you know, a lot of people like to either have one of those little tripods or something that you get from Amazon for like 20 bucks. This has its Bluetooth. And also, I forgot what else, what is magnetic, that’s what it is. So you snap it to the actual mount. And you can use it if you need to, for things like zoom calls, or team calls whatever, mainly more, I can see this being used more like the bloggers on YouTube or other places like that. And you kind of just sit it there. And as you move it moves with you, which can be great if you’re trying to actually do a video and not have to use one of either the remotes and trying to seem all cool and not like you doing it or whatnot. And it also gives it a little bit better quality because I know a lot of times we put some production into those videos. Most of the time it’s somebody else holding it where it looks better. Even if it’s just like one of those shaky cam videos, it does just look better when you have different angles. It just is. So I think this one was the one that I was actually looking forward to. I think it’s already out but that was the one that I was like, Okay, yeah, I’m gonna take a look at that

 

Jules  

you sold on already. That’s what’s up. For me. The thing that I’m interested in is, there’s the Sony speakers. And you know, people who know me know that I love going to the movie theater to watch movies. And then a big part is just because of the sound like I like the feeling of having super loud speakers. You can feel the rumbling in the seat. So Dolby Atmos is like the best movie watching experience for me. And you also know that, hey, I just love watching movies. So they have these speakers that are Noby atmosphere rated. And it’s like a wireless system. So you can put these speakers around the room in your home and it has a little control box that connects directly to your TV menu. If you use a Sony TV, it can also use the speakers that are built into the TV to help improve the sound even more. And that sounds incredibly dope to me. Like I don’t have to worry about running wires anywhere. I can just put the speakers wherever they need to go. It’ll calibrate itself. And that sounds great. All four speakers have subwoofers built in. So let’s go ahead and base. I want to try it out. Well, the downside is this is expensive.

 

Justice  

Good sound is just like I was talking about with the earbuds. Yeah,

 

Jules  

yeah, yeah. So yeah, I’m definitely excited to see what’s coming.

 

Justice  

Is there anything that you were kind of like, what the hell? Why is that a thing?

 

Jules  

There is something that I’m like, What the hell but it doesn’t have anything to do with tech tober is the Tesla bought here? Why is that a thing? Ilan Musk, like I hope, is not really a thing. I hope it’s just some stuff that he said at a press conference. And I know they had like the little person wearing a suit come out there. But we don’t need that. As a society,

 

Justice  

why not? Because knowing how everything is going now with technology people and I’m just saying I can only see people using an emphasis.

 

Jules  

You know what, I think there needs to be a broader conversation around in general, just about some of the things that we enjoy the most in society, and I don’t have a list. I haven’t done any research on this. But I feel like a lot of it came from people just making something that they wanted to have sex with. Yeah, he ended up becoming a microwave. I don’t know. I’m just saying like, I don’t know. Speaking of sex. Okay, only fans, only fans and only fans. They were about to make a mistake. They did an Okie doke. Only fans like Tumblr before them became known as the platform for sex workers, like people could go on there and some people made a lot of money posting nudes or explicit videos of themselves. And there is and always will be a market for that. Honestly at this point, you know, I think we just Except that, like, porn is a huge, huge industry and is always going to have a lot of customers, but only fans decided that they weren’t going to allow explicit content on their website anymore. Like, you could still post nude pictures. But they had all of these terms and conditions around what is and what is not considered explicit. And for a lot of the people on that platform, that was going to mean that they couldn’t post anymore, they were going to lose their incomes. And on one hand, I get it. Like we discussed it before a little bit, right. Like I understand a company, maybe not wanting to be known for having that kind of content. But I think for only fans, beard name is synonymous with that now, like when people hear only fans immediately think porn, and I know they tried to put out stuff where we’re like, oh, we have shifts in fitness people and whatever is like, okay, I mean, the Yeah, those people are on there. But that is not what you are known for at this point. Like, if you were going to not have one there, it should have been that way from the beginning. One you would not be successful, my personal opinion, but you’re not going to be successful with that, like, sure, there’ll be some people that pay to watch a chef cook and learn some recipes, but you’re not going to be successful like you are now for sure. And secondly, like I said once, beyond say she might start only fans in that remix. That’s what you know, for like, that’s what you are. So I just need to embrace it. If you want to branch off and have some other company that doesn’t allow porn, you try to build that great, you know what I mean? And just even looking back historically, like look at Tumblr, like Tumblr was known for porn. And then they came out and said, oh, we’re banning all of that content. Like literally the day after that ban went into effect. I have never seen another Tumblr page in my life. I’ve never seen anybody say, check me out on Tumblr. Like, even if it was just a shelf, or some, you know, a photo blogger just posting photos. I’ve never seen anybody say, follow me on Tumblr after that. So I don’t know. But only fans walked up to that image. And they pulled it back.

 

Justice  

I don’t even think that because in the beginning, that’s what they said, oh, we’re wanting to have more. Okay, that’s what everyone thought, let me say that maybe wires got crossed. But I think Joe’s had a great explanation on how they do it. Then the CEO came out and was basically like, hey, payment processors won’t process any of these payments. Because we have porn on hand. I was just like, that shit doesn’t even sound right. Pornhub will be out of business. If that was the case, strip clubs would be out of the business. Does that make no sense? What is the issue here? And you know, he continued this kind of PR tour, so to speak. And six days after that, making that announcement just went, hey, on Twitter, hey, nevermind. All of these people were making these means are these chicks got to get a real job now. And the women and other sex workers, let me not just say women, because it’s not just the sex workers on there. We’re just like, okay, we already have to worry about if we’re going to get taken advantage of by other people on any of these other sites or whatnot. Now, we have to go back out there and try to see what we can do where we built this company, period. Because prior to that, as Joel said, once Beyonce said anything about only fans, everybody flocked to it, not everything on there was born. Yes, you have people on there who do tasteful nudes or a little bit more risque than an Instagram account. But you got Patreon for that. What was only fans gonna be able to stand out from in that sense right now.

 

Jules  

That’s what I’m saying. Only fans like that, that’s who you are. That’s your business. Yeah, I feel like yeah, you right, the CEO with his little press tour or whatever. I feel like the payment companies would definitely like, we didn’t say anything about porn. We just asked if it was money. And it was money. So it wasn’t. I mean, you’re not trying to process potato chips or something. You know, we process payments that are made with money. So money is good for us. I really feel like investors were like, Okay, this sounds good. Yeah, you know your company. You don’t want your company known for porn. Hey, boy, you have to do your press. Okay, send us the numbers on that. Like how much money do we actually make from 409 95%? I just made that number of guys don’t look that up. Putting out false information. I don’t know what it is. I feel like it’s 95% though.

 

Justice  

Yeah. And man cuz last year in 2020 a billion dollars in payments, just this little site a billion dollars. Are you serious? When they like when they are like when they are like okay, we shut down. We’re not doing porn anymore. I’m going like, how much would it cost for me to start a fake ass only fan. If you knew on a billion dollars in payments I’m doing so Ronnie,

 

Jules  

um, I would just admire those who can give you a better deal with content creators. I’ll give you a 5050 split.

 

Justice  

If it’s a billion dollars, man, come on, nah, I’m sorry. But I definitely was not like, how would destruction go? What payment processes come on? Do you just don’t give that up sex workers? They were Yeah, but I do have to say I am glad for the reason of being able to give the sex workers and place to go and where they feel comfortable. And also keep them safe. Because a lot of the times when this stuff is like breach or what they’ve done in the not only bands, but what the sex workers have done in the past on other sites, like their information is leaked. And these people come to their houses and expect stuff from them. So right. Also during the pandemic, what they do, what they were supposed to be able to make anyway, this is a great way to pivot. We had a conversation about this where a friend of mine was dating someone who is a cosplayer. Ah, yes. And we were like, okay, what’s wrong with that, but apparently, the person was not holding their weight in the relationship necessarily, because they were expecting my friend to actually pay for everything and her to be able to live this lifestyle and it’s just like, okay, that’s great for my friend, because he’s put in so much time and effort. It’s built himself into what he is and the job that he has you cosplay. Okay. Do you make money from that? Only when we have advanced? Okay, we couldn’t do events last year. So what did you do? You could have started, you didn’t have to do like it had to be moved? Yeah, but you could have definitely done, like, the photos that she’s taken and some of the stuff that she’d done. Definitely would have been only fan material. Okay. But that wasn’t something that she was just like, wanting to do. She was just too much work. Oh,

 

Jules  

okay. Like you were saying, I’m glad that I didn’t do it. I’m happy for the sex workers. Because it means it is what it is people are going to do that kind of thing. So I’m glad to have a place where they can do it and feel safe, be protected a little bit from a lot of the downsides of working in an industry.

 

Justice  

And I know she actually yeah, in any industry, right? your eggs in one basket, don’t

 

Jules  

I think what’s good about only fans, to me, particularly for them. And for anybody else who wants any kind of content creator that gets on there, I think it is a good opportunity for you to have your own control over what is and what is not put out there. You do have a great amount of control of your own content over that. So in that sense, I fully support only fans. I’m glad they didn’t make a mistake and ruin their business. And when he says support he’s meaning supporting them in their business ventures.

 

Justice  

I don’t think Jules has a subscription only fans right now.

 

Jules  

You know, I don’t have any fan subscriptions right now. But if you guys would like to see a cool Black Nerd podcast only for fans, let me know. I’m probably still not going to do that.

 

Justice  

You know what we do like whiskey and a month’s pictures and be like you want a naked or you want it on the rocks? or whatnot? No.

 

Jules  

So you know how I was just talking about that control over the content? I will let you know that.

 

Justice  

No, it would just be the glass. You can have a glass where it’s just like it’s like we just have a glass making clear it’s a clear glass or it’s got one of that cool Black Nerd on it. That one is not naked. Do you have something that’s on the rack yet? Man? I don’t know if it was weird out there. Everybody likes different stuff.

 

Jules  

You know what you write about that there’s a market like everything for whatever you want to do. Somebody will pay for it. Whatever it is, it’s not me. But somebody.

 

Justice  

Oh, man,

 

Jules  

man, you know, I think that’s a good place to call it. I think that’s a pretty good one. Let’s go ahead and call this one an episode. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for listening to the cool Black Nerd podcast. Again, check us out on social media. Always go check out say what radio.com there are several podcasts in our network that I think everybody would enjoy and love and just have a great time listening to always we out

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