Let’s face it, growth is hard. Whether it’s in your business, your personal life or anything in between, it takes persistent effort. So where do you start and how do you know you’re on the right path to success? Listen in as Jenny and Jai share the hard hitting-truth about growth. Buckle down, clear your mind, and get ready to look at things with a new perspective.

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Jenny: Welcome to The Hollastic Life show. I’m Jenny

Jai: And I am Jai

Jenny: and we are so glad that you’re here with us again. Thank you for being a listener. Hey, guess what? Just want to give a shout out to our Italian friends out there, making us top one hundred, two different categories as a winning in Italy.

Thank you so much. If you’re not from Italy, yo, I’m gonna need you to grab all your friends, get him, get him like subscribe, download, share, share this with all your peeps, because I know some of you guys are real competitive and you want us to give a shout out to your country too. And we can only do that. If you guys put us up on the top 100 charts. So like, share, comment, that’s a Facebook thing. If you’re listening on a platform that has reviews, cause I know an Apple podcast you review and other ones you can’t otherwise subscribe and download. Ooh, thank you. We love you. Alright, so we are still rocking hard and strong here in the Flustercluck season and today is growth.

And so what we want to chat about is, you know, you’ve started up, you set out your vision. Now it’s time to grow. And so when I think about growth, I think about a couple of different things. One, I think scaling, growing a business and scaling, I also think personal development growth. What do you think of for growth?

Jai: I don’t know. That’s always a weird question for me because I kind of. View things differently outside of the box. I mean, you’re definitely the, the logistical business person in the relationship.

Jenny: So I really don’t like this right now. I don’t want to be the logistical and to be the free spirit, fun person and keeping the logistical person in business.

Jai: I know of it. It’s pretty insane. There’s a time and place for okay. Certain aspects of the business. I’ll say how about that?

Jenny: That’s fine. And what you guys are hearing here is like you’re experiencing where, when there are certain things about yourself that you may not like that you’re naturally really good at.

It’s just learning how to embrace them.

Jai: And you’re also experiencing growth right here.

Jenny: Yes. In the moment I’m like, I don’t want to be the that like, it’s, it’s a strength for you. Okay.

Jai: Real quick, real question. Like, why don’t you want to be that. What attachment do you have?

Jenny: That’s a good question. So I think that for me, when I think of that, there’s a couple attachments. One, it feels stiff because every time we’re flowing and we’re talking to a coach and all these things are flowing, I’m like, Ooh, what about all the logistics? And my mind starts like wanting to dig into all of those things when it comes to like implementation. One to corporate America. So when I was working in corporate America and I was trying to, you know, be seen and heard and trying to get into an executive position at a piece of crap company, but I was really trying to get into like a role of leadership.

The everyday implementation was seen as a lower level job and the visionaries don’t just do the implementation. They have the visionary. So I think the stigma is attached to that because then it just still made me feel like a lower level employee instead of having the vision.

Jai: You’re definitely not a lower level employee. You’re a CEO and founder with your own company.

Jenny: That’s true. But that it’s like, I don’t want to always be like in the freaking in the weeds, like figuring out all the details. Because I used to do that all the time from my old boss, he would be like, yeah. And then we’d have to figure out all the details…

Jai: but it’s something that you’re, you’re naturally good at. I mean, definitely not saying it’s a bad thing and that’s super, super important.

Jenny: Sometimes it creates a lot of stress trying to think about all those little things. I just want to be like someone else think of it. Ooh, growth moment. Oh. As we grow, guess what? We’re going to have somebody on our team. Who’s going to help us to execute the smaller details.

And if you’re listening and you’re like, along for this ride with Jenny and Jai and 2Jholla shoot us an email. If you’re like, yo, I love the details. Then we at least we’ll make sure to reach out to you when we open up that position.

Jai: You gotta be willing to let go of that too.

Jenny: But I can be! Okay. The thing is, is as we get bigger, as we get bigger, I will be, I know I will be because there’s other things that I want to like focus on and I want to get more into the creative stuff.

Stop laughing. Oh, no, that’s funny. Fuck that. Wait until I find something you need to grow on. We go in there.

Jai: That’s perfectly fine. I’m open for it. I am who I am. So yeah, definitely. When we get there holler at me, I guess it’s like, for me, growth is just consistently to get better because probably ever since you were young, you know, it’s like reach this goal.

Get a good job. I feel like now, and along grand scheme of things, these, these short term goals, these aspirations, like getting the house, get here, here, get here, get here wherever here is. But it’s like, yeah. Growth for me is being a better business person in a sense of not necessarily working harder, but working smarter, you know?

Finding the balance between that, like maybe not being so busy, finding the thing that you’re good at finding your own voice, finding the thing that works for you and continuing to get better at it, you know, in business and being an entrepreneur and being a man and being a husband and being a brother and being a son, you know, all that, like how can I be better?

All around. That’s what, what growth means to me. So it was kind of more of a broad, abstract approach to growth.

Jenny: Okay. I mean, it still feels very similar because I was trying to think of a visual and the first visual I got was like water, you know, like a little water droplet and then another droplet and then another droplet and a gross.

Right. But then I got this visual of your body. And when you eat and overeat and over eat and overeat, Your waistline grows as a wonderful tool. Cause I was just thinking, I mean, like we understand what growth is, right, right. Because literally growth is something getting larger in size. But when you talk about it more abstractly, right?

It’s like your brain growing and expanding you as a person growing and expanding and not necessarily like physically getting larger in size, but from an abstract perspective.

Jai: Perfect example, the growth of this show, like starting from Facebook shooting across the room to this. And I’m pretty sure we’re going to continue to grow, but it’s not like, okay, we got this set up.

We’re good. You know, but it’s like, okay, what works. Even this, this, the season thing with the titles, how can we consistently get better and more proficient with this and what we’re doing

Jenny: well, and even continuing to make sure that we’re bringing you value and giving you the things that you want to learn about that will impact your life.

Because I know one of the reasons why you’re coming here is for our crazy banter to hear Jake get annoyed with me at times, and maybe like bouncing off the wall.

Jai: What intro is she going to do this week?

Jenny: Yeah, I that’s like I had to think today, like, how do I want to be different? And it was probably weird just like the rest of them.

But anyways, I digress back to the growth idea. One of the things that we teach a lot and we probably could teach even more because it’s a great reminder. Is this a something that could really impact and change the trajectory of your life? And that is implementing a beginner’s mindset. And what a beginner’s mindset is, is when you go into something, whether you’ve done it zero times or 150,000 times for you to wipe the slate clean and to be able to listen with like fresh ears, fresh mind, fresh energy, I guess.

Right. And be able to listen to the information, because a question that Jai and I are always asking ourselves and really thinking about is okay, If we focus on helping people to live, um, more well balanced lifestyle and to have healthier habits and to be able to have more energy. Right. And if you break it down a lot of times, you know, we’re talking about like working out and eating healthy and stuff.

Right. And we talked about this just today. I believe it was earlier today. And we were talking about how all of the information exists, right? Like it’s all out there. It’s all out there on YouTube, Instagram, Google everywhere. Probably the sites you’ve never even heard of. You can literally have at your fingertips, the keys to be able to lose weight, feel good, etc.

Cause it’s all out there. But the thing is, and the big question is, is like, why aren’t you doing it? Why aren’t you implementing those things? And through our own growth and our own journey. What I find interesting if I think back, I don’t know if you guys know this…

Jai: (sings) but back in the day, it’s probably been like back in the day when I was young and I had a kid anymore, but some days I say, I wish I was a back, back to Jenny.

Jenny: I dunno. It was like, I was trying to figure out something I could do. I wish I was musical because I feel like riff on that. So back in the day, I. Was, and this is actually how Jai and I met. I was a beach body coach. He was the Beachbody coach. And if you don’t know what that is, it’s the makers and the creators of like workout programs like P90X and sanity, Tony Horton, Shaun T like those are the OG Shalene Johnson.

So back in the day, being a Beachbody coach, I was out of college. Pretty fit, you know, running around, doing insanity and asylum all the time. And so my mantra at that time was like, if you want it bad enough, you’ll make room in your life for it. You know, like, come on hardcore. It’s not that hard. You know, you gotta be willing to give up things.

You gotta be willing to sacrifice. And honestly, at the root, some of those things are true, but that’s like someone who’s earlier in their journey or even like someone who hasn’t really been exposed. To more of life and more clients where you want to say something like that.

Jai: Yeah. I, I do. It’s kind of true, but it’s kinda like we had this conversation on one of our talks, but it’s like the energy you put behind that you have to sacrifice and rather than sacrifice the sacrifice sounds like so heavy.

Like, yo, you gotta give up, you gotta sacrifice. It’s like a lot of weight behind sacrifice, right. Instead of basically you’re going to. Be adding stuff instead of subtracting only be adding. And it’s, it’s kind of like, depending on what the outcome is, there’s going to have to be some, some give and take.

Like, if you want to look a certain way, if you want that superhero body, you’re more focused on how you look at the time instead of. The variety of food, you’re eating because for 6% body fat, you have to eat a specific way. You have to be routine, you have to be structured. So it’s kind of like a give and take rather than like sacrifice.

Jenny: Right. So you’re getting like deep into that. I just was, I was getting there to explain the beginner’s mindset.

Jai: Okay. I mean, I still feel that’s a part of the beginner’s mindset though.

Jenny: So the thing is in the point of what I was saying about when I started first started on like my fitness and coaching wellness journey, and really being hardcore with people is that that works for a certain person.

But once you get later into your twenties, thirties, forties, and life happens and beyond, and life happens and you have kids and you’re working, you know, some of the things, things that are out there in mainstream, it comes back to like, why aren’t you implementing the things that are already available?

Like you hear all these things, you hear these things like you’re like, Oh, time to lose weight. Okay. Now time to get back to the gym and time to go on that diet. To me, hearing people say those things make my ears cringe. That when you introduce us right in front of people, who’ve never heard us before. My point is, is like, they’re sitting there going well.

Yeah, I know what to do. Uh, but sometimes names. And if not, a lot of times it would benefit you to have that beginner’s mindset, especially when you’re going to go grow and learn. To be able to hear things with a new, fresh perspective, because you may actually find the thing that unlocks everything for you, because you already know it. If you’re not doing it.

Jai: Oh yeah. My question would be, if you already know, like, why aren’t you doing it? Why are you here? Because if you knew you would be doing it and I think too, some people are looking for. Something else like that thing. And it’s like, no, there’s a lot of things. Just the basics. You already know the basics.

So why aren’t you doing the basics? Like, Oh, Oh, eight minutes abs now introducing the five minute abs you know, there’s, there’s no new thing. Yeah. I’m just thinking about even for business. Cause you know, we, yeah, we brought in the health and fitness aspect of things.

Jenny: Right. But even just thinking business, it’s like.

For so many years, I’ve like wanted that secret sauce, you know, and really, we just talked about this on our walk today. Yes. There are principles, right? There are certain things that are the basics, but then there’s your own flavor and your own secret sauce. And you want to do it your way. And that’s really like if you, if you bring it back into the wellness and the fitness and the health and stuff, we work with that right.

There is the secret sauce with our clients. We’re not like, Oh, here’s your workout plan and go do it. It’s like, wait, what do you want to do? Like what makes you excited for being active then as coaches, it’s our job to, to continue to help them grow and expand. But we’re like, Hey, just master this one little thing first so that you can build momentum and be 1% better.

Jai: I had a squirrel moment, trade off. That’s what I was talking about with the second thing, tradeoffs, there’s going to be trade offs. What are you willing to trade off to get there? Because going to the gym three times a week and only doing, you know, X, Y, and Z, isn’t going to get you that movie star body that you want in six months. Yeah.

Jenny: You know, it’s interesting. Cause it’s reminds me of something I used to teach. Back in the day. Again, this is a lot of back in the day stuff. A lot of memories coming up for exploration and release. But when I used to do the speaker author coach stuff, when I watched my book and I was teaching people, one of the things I talked about is like, sometimes you really want to change.

And it comes down to like the trade offs, right? What are you willing to do? What are you ready, able, and willing to do? Which that wasn’t the terminology I’ve used that. Yeah. Oh, it is. It is now analogy we have now. And it’s like, what are you ready, able, and willing to do because those trade offs are big and even so, okay.

Like if there’s something you really want in your life and you don’t have it, but you’re not ready, able, and willing to make a certain trade off or to be able to integrate it in your life. Then you have to ask yourself, do you really want it? Because the timing could not be right. Maybe, or maybe you don’t really want it.

And the thing is, is once you accept, do you really want it, or do you not want it once you realize what that is? You could probably, no, not probably. You will remove a significant amount of stress in your life. Just thinking about it.

Jai: We went into an, an NLP thing and it was like, Your actions, aren’t reflecting what you say you want. So do you really want that? You know what I’m saying? Cause if you really want it, when you be doing the actions that would move you toward that, that thing that you want, which you know, it’s like, Oh, I want this, but your, your daily actions, aren’t reflecting that you want that. So what do you really want?

Jenny: Right. Which sometimes that hits us like a smack in the face. Right? Because. When you’re confronted with that information, in my opinion, it depends on what the topic is. Right. And how emotionally attached you are to the topic. So when I think about health and wellness, a lot of myself and other people that we work with are emotional eaters and the stress eater.

So there’s a lot more of like attachment. So if someone hits me in the face with that, I might be a little bit defensive. I’d be defensive. Like, Oh, leave me alone. I know what I’m doing, but you would hit me right. Between the eyes because yes, I’m not doing the things. But if we go back to when I was very first into health and fitness and I was like, you have to be willing to sacrifice, like, obviously you don’t want it hard enough.

Like, come on. That advice is what can lead. That person, who’s an emotional eating and stress eating today. I want to make an all or nothing switch. Yup. Okay. And so in that moment, when that all or nothing mentality in that preaching comes and it turns into this, especially if you’re like overachiever a type, it then turns into, well, I’m not good enough.

I obviously don’t want it, you know, enough. So let me completely change my life right now. And actually do the things that are going to help me get there, which then ultimately leads you to crashing and burning because you get burnout for making that all or nothing. Switch.

Jai: Right. No. I think the all or nothing approach is definitely detrimental in a lot of things and a lot of aspects. And there should be a lot more of, this is kind of a tongue in cheek comment though. Cause it’s like, yes, all or nothing, but people want results right now. But you know, to get that lasting solution, that consistent solution, that thing that’s going to help you like live that, that lifestyle and create that lifestyle on your terms.

It’s going to take time. It’s going to take time. And when I say take time, I mean time, like there’s going to be certain behaviors that you’re going to have to consistently practice until they become like habits and actions. Now you might not master these things and it’s not about mastering. I think that’s the thing too.

People feel like they have to have something mastered before. You know what I’m saying? If it’s not mastered, they’re not successful. And it’s like, you’re human man. Give yourself room to breathe. You don’t have to, to master it. You just have to understand, and you have to be self aware of the situations.

And if you’re an emotional eater and we definitely won’t go in depth here, if you’re interested, you can reach out and we can talk about that more. But if you’re emotional eater, Replacing those things that you go to, you know, start off with, instead of having cookies and pastries in the pantry, replace it with something first, or, you know, you don’t have to do it all at once.

A stead of cookies and chips. Just start with the chips or the cookies instead of chips, I’m going to get more fruit this week. Just start with little steps, but people, and we definitely talk about this a lot is like, you know, uh, how can. These little steps to make such a big changing result that you guys talk about.

Like, I don’t see, like, I don’t understand how is that even fucking possible.

Jenny: I was reading a book right before this. It was like habit, the power habits. I forget the name of it, but it’s a book about habits and I was reading this one part or it was talking about the cue, the habit and the reward and how it all feeds each other.

Just sharing this. So if you don’t like tests on animals, I’m not. Condoning it or not going to it’s just from the book. So they were doing a test with a monkey and monkeys are very smart, as we know. And what they would do is they would put this screen up and have the cue, which, you know, the screen flashed a certain color, whatever they wanted, the monkey to hit the lever.

And then when they hit the lever, he would get a Blackberry juice and so what they had tested as they tested. If they were able to create a craving to where, you know, you have the cue, the little flash on the screen, then you have the response, which is the lever. And then you have the reward, the Blackberry, and then what they would do is they would do that enough times.

Now it became a habit that the brain would anticipate the reward before the rest of even happened. So then what would happen is they would test different moments in this process. By giving distractions and the monkeys who hadn’t fully made that a habit where then the craving was there. They would sit in front of the TV and wait for that signal or wait for the black bridge to come.

If the Blackberry juice didn’t come, they get angry and frustrated because it didn’t fulfill that craving. Right. Versus the ones that hadn’t really fully solidified that yet they could put food or openings to let them go outside and they’d be like, all right, whatever. And they go outside. Right. And so, you know, if you think about some of these things that you have and what you’re talking about with the emotional eating there’s different environmental factors to change in the process.

Because like, like Jai was saying, you can change. Okay. When you get stressed and you’re gonna emotional eat the chips and cookies or whatever, you can just go with once you can change that side environmentally, or you can start paying attention and, or right. Start paying attention to cues. What is triggering.

And we talk a lot about the trigger points. What is triggering that habit, right? What is there, what is causing that to first happen so that you can start to identify and change the cue, change the trigger? I can’t wait to keep reading that book cause I’m just like really curious, just like how the brain works.

And I’m just going to go off on a little tangent here too. Because another thing that I found very interesting in there, they were talking about marketers. Okay. So marketers get into the psychology of buyers. We know this, but I just find it so fascinating because these companies pay big money to people to find how to create habits for people based on cues and the trigger and the reward.

Okay. So one of the ways was with toothpaste. So at the time toothpaste was not being used. And this guy like was reading all these dental books and he was like, they were so boring, but he finally found something where it talked about plaque on teeth and how it had like a little film on the teeth. And it was a normal thing.

Didn’t bother anybody until he made it a problem for them. And really the film on the teeth that was there. And it’s not like the plaque that builds up at your gums and causes gum disease. I mean, yes, that is a result of not brushing your teeth, but it’s, it was like the film on your teeth that could be rubbed off with your finger or, you know, eat an apple or whatever.

But what he did is they started running commercials and stuff saying, you know, that cloudy film on your teeth. Buy a pepsidyne brush your teeth when you have that film. So now, you know, only 6% of, of homes at the time. This is around the world, right. Had toothpaste. And now he’s created this to everybody and that’s an example where the demand was serving, but the toothpaste wasn’t necessarily the thing that could get the film off.

Right. It was just the thing. Versus, you know, when they were talking about Febreeze and went for breeze, came out, they could not figure out how to make it work. Because for breeze was found out by the scientist who working in this lab, he didn’t really care about a smells or anything. He smoked a lot. He was a chain smoker.

And when he went home one day, his wife was like, wow, did you quit smoking? And he was like, okay. She tried to, you know, like reverse psychology me here. Cause she had always been on him for it. And he realized that this chemical he was working with like absorbs smells. And so that’s how they created febreeze.

And they were trying to figure out like, okay, people with smelly things, this is going to help them with smelly stuff. And they found a lady who worked at a national park and was always trapping animals. And all of her stuff smelled like skunk. And so her life was completely changed because none of her stuff smell like skunk anymore and she could go date and, you know, she wasn’t worried.

But the thing is, is they found is that when they went to people’s homes, they went into like a lady who had nine cats that apparently like they gagged when they walked in and then they went in and they’re like, Hey, do you use your Febreeze? And she’s like, no, I don’t need it. And they’re like, do you know, your place smells like shit?

And she’s like, no, don’t even notice. Right. There was no trigger to create the habit. Right. It wasn’t until they found that someone found joy and pleasure when they cleaned. They finished their cleaning by spraying for breeze on their stuff. And then, you know, they got that fresh scent and that fresh feel.

So now they were going through the Febreeze every two weeks. And so they changed their whole campaign and now they’ve sold billions and millions of dollars. So, so when we’re talking about this growth and we’re talking about all of these things, Even though you hear it all the time. There’s so many things that have been marketed to us to have us consume certain things that aren’t necessarily good for us or don’t serve us.

And yet we keep as humans, we keep trying the things cause that’s what we hear on the regular. And we’re so busy. We’re so busy that we don’t always stop to pause and realize like, okay, How can I get curious about this moment and how can I turn this into a growth? Hence the beginner’s mindset. Yeah.

Jai: There’s nothing new under the sun. You’re going to hear stuff you’re going to, you’ve probably seen here at all the time, man, new perspectives, new things. And to, I think it’s a big thing about like what and how things resonate with you as well. But it’s like, you, you, you gotta be open though. Situation happens and you’re like, yeah, I already know what this person was gonna say.

They could. Come at it from a whole new, different angle that you missed. Cause you, you, you completely wrote them off. Yeah.

Jenny: One of the trainings we did in our next levelalution program is how being healthy is a journey and it’s not a destination. And it just reminds me of the whole topic from today because sometimes we look at health like a destination.

I’m going to stop eating this and that and this, and I’m going to start working out 17 days a week till I lose that weight. And then like we stop and it’s like this destination. So it’s a dress, it’s a birthday party. It’s a wedding. It’s a whatever. Okay. Okay, fine. I get it. But. Do you want to keep starting and stopping?

Do you want the extra stress? I mean, we just talked to somebody this week who was like, Hey, you know, so remember that nutritionist I got and stuff like, like you could kind of hear it in her voice. She’s kind of getting burned out by it. She was like, I learned what I needed to learn. Right. But like, this is a lot to continuously be like, thinking about, which basically means it was almost like too much info for integration.

It’s like baby steps, 1% better.

Jai: No, the thing is, is sustainable. You know, what’s the best workout. What’s the best diet plan. What’s the best way to stay healthy. And the answer is the thing you can consistently do. So if you don’t see Keto as being a lifestyle, no, that’s not the best diet. If you hate running, it’s not the best workout.

Jenny: Yeah. We’re like the opposite of what you hear. Right. Our clients rave because they’re like. Do I have to do squats in order to give results relate? No. Nope. No. Do you like squats the question before? Like, do you like squats? No. Okay, good. We got you. I love where I’m at in life. And even though you can look back in previous parts of your life or business or journey and be like, Oh God, I wish I would have known better, you know, or whatever.

That’s growth. Everything happens for a reason and when it’s supposed to happen. Yeah. By the way, we are super excited because we just opened up a couple of slots on our calendar. So if you’ve been listening to us and you’re like, man, cause this is what happens. We just did a podcast interview today. And we were like, Oh my God, you’re so awesome.

I want more of you. How do we connect and get to know more? So we’ve just opened up a few slots on our calendar for a wellness breakthrough call. And we are so excited because this is going to be 45 minutes focus just on you. One on one private virtual coaching. We’re going to really dig in and help remove some roadblocks that you have related to eating and, and WellCare, or WellCare, self care.

It sounds like. An old person home. So we’re going to remove those blocks. We’re going to talk about how to get the right nutrients in your body. We’re going to help you put yourself first, finally, and talk about some key things to help you get long lasting results. And of course, a clear, detailed plan and some personalized stuff for you.

So if that is something that you are ready to do, and you want to get some quick wins under your belt and get a clear direction to nudge you on the right path. Then go to That’s number two J We know that if this is speaking to you, you’re going to go there and we cannot wait to connect with you if not, and this is not your time, and this is not what you’re looking to do.

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