Solar Plexus with Bernadette Bruckner

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Have you ever wondered where the phrase “it was a gut feeling” came from? A lot of those instinctual feelings are connected to the digestive system and general gut health. Something you may not realize is that the digestive system is also linked to a large energy center known as the Solar Plexus chakra. In this episode, Jenny speaks with Bernadette Bruckner an intuitive mentor and coach. Listen in as they discuss intuitive eating, how to kick addictions and the power of the mind.

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Jenny: Welcome to another episode of the life adventurous podcast. I’m Jenny Holly, your host, and we are in the chakra series. And I am so excited because this is the final episode to round out the solar plexus. And as we have been exploring with our other two guests previous to today’s episode, we’ve been exploring how the solar plexus is all about stepping into your power and your confidence.

And that is why I’m so excited because we have Bernadette Bruckner.

it’s so funny because she’s, she’s from Austria. And one of the things that she said is she’s like, okay, I’m from Austria, but I can’t Yodel, but she can cook, which is why healthy living, eating healthy working are her passions. And she’s even created her own nutrition work and her own coaching therapy style, empowering others with her resilience methods.

And so we are so excited to get into this because like everything about Bernadette just screams like power and confidence. She has so many things she’s involved in and I can’t wait. So welcome. Bernadette, tell us a little bit more about yourself and of course you have to tell us something fun.

Bernadette: Hello from Austria. The funny part is I can not Yodel. I mean, some of music is beautiful, everybody knows, but we, we don’t, we’re not born with yodeling, but I can make a true apple strudel. And I left the…. And I grew up in a bakery from the countrysides. And I always say, since I can walk, I help my parents in the bakery.

So I truly was helping my father making bread. And I still love doing that. So this is, this is something I, I think I just have it in my veins.

Jenny: Total random question. So you talk about bread and I was just hanging out with a friend of mine last night from Germany, and we got into a conversation about pretzels. Soft pretzels and how they are in the States compared to how they are in Germany. And, um, I’m wondering if Austria feels the same way as Germans do about pretzels and have a very specific, like when you talk about bread, he was talking about how the outside should be a little bit harder and the inside should be soft.

And he said, they’re too soft in the United States.

Bernadette: The first thing, because I was one year, as an Au Pair in America, the first thing, what I did when I came back home was eating bread. Wow. Because I mean, in New York city, I found a real bakery, but not having a real breads, like I am used to in grew up is like, no, I can’t believe this though.

Except the bagels of course, and debates, but way came from a Jewish Austrian to America. And this is, this is so interesting. And I smell on breads. I know if the bread is fresh or not, is it like, you know, something ready-made bread thing, a mixture, or if it’s a real bread, um, and this is something what I’m still doing.

Wow. No, not that couple of things. What do you learn from parents? And one of them was this one and I just love still smelling, uh, you know, uh, bread from the fresh oven.

Jenny: This is just, Oh, I love it. Especially with that’s where you grew up. Cause he was like, your bread is too soft here. And I was like, you want it hard?

Bernadette: I didn’t want to say it, but yes, it’s way too soft. This is not breadth. You guys have to come to America to Austria and see the difference. And the interesting thing is also next to Germany. Austria has the biggest range of different breads or, Hmm.

Jenny: Yes, that’s really, that’s really cool to hear. And I know it’s totally off topic, but like when you mentioned the bread thing, I was like, we just talked about this last night.

Bernadette: I know, right? We are talking about solar plexus, solar plexus is the area also of the stomach and of the intuition.

Jenny: So yes. Good food. Is something good for your solar blocks? Well, yes. So tell us a little bit more, like, how do you view the solar plexus? What is it and how does it tie into your work?

Bernadette: Um, um, I’m also, I created my own nutrition style. And I’m also, uh, I have my diploma in nutrition training and for me like traditional Chinese medicine or traditional European medicine, because this is kind of similar is something, what is always very interesting for me. I grew up with an holistic doctor before he gave us any medicine or any vaccination.

He gave us something alternative and I still love him for them and something he did. Right. Because he became. Over 90 years. So I think something, what they did was kind of, right, and this is still when I got too into, uh, traditional Chinese medicine, of course you get introduction, uh, to the organics and how it’s connected with the food and all the things.

And this is so interesting and also with the, with the different plexus, because I’m when I do my work, I’m not only using the seven plexus, but way, much more. And when, when for example, your stomach aching, there is something wrong in there. Your body talks with you 24 hours, but we got conditioned. Listen to it.

I don’t know I was a new country, but I grew up with a grandma. Go to the doctor, get your, your pills and then you are healthy and all the things. And I’m like, no, that can’t be the right way. Yeah. And food is your medicine. And the third solar plexus is just, that’s your stomach. That’s your, that’s your calling.

So this is very, very powerful. And also when you. Dig into the top book of about the connection of the brain and colon brain and the stomach. Then you recognize how much it’s actually connected, how much influenced your calling is. And I want to ask all of you when you are hungry. Can you think? Hmm, I can’t, you can forget me.

Jenny: Yeah, and I’m on it. Just like I need food. I’m sorry. Right. It’s so true. We were, we went to the beach this past weekend in Florida and it was abnormally warmer than it usually is. So here and we’re, we’re recording this here in March. So it was just like last week and the last weekend of February. And it was in the eighties Fahrenheit. And we were walking on the beach and we had gone to a place to eat and they were taking a long time to deliver food, but also it was way more busy because of like the sunny weekend. So anyways, we decided to walk along the beach through the sand to go to the next restaurant, which we all thought the next restaurant would be a matter of steps, but it was like half a mile, three quarters of a mile.

And we were all like, exactly what you said, hungry and kind of getting hangry where we were just like, You know, like it was like, Oh my God, we feel like we’re in this desert Oasis. And like, where’s the food and everybody’s getting a little snippy with each other. And we laughed because on the way back, we decided to be smart and walk actually in the ocean, which cooled us down instead of like walking in the sand and just being all like mad, like it’s like, we could only see like, is that a food place, no ice cream, whatever you see, every, everybody like eating except you.

Right. It was like, can we do the shit? And then like some would be like, let’s go over here and check it out. And we’re like, no, that’s not the place. There’s no food there. Like everybody’s mad at each other.

Bernadette: And it’s interesting because they allow stomach and also of course our solar plexus is guiding us and you have in your, around your colon or around your solar plexus way, much more nerves than in your brain.

So who is actually truly guiding you. And I’m when I work with my clients, I always, I do correcting the subconsciousness. So I’m working where I support them, that they begin to listen to them self again, and their intuition because we got so conditioned being a rational, being in the brain and getting everything, you know, I don’t know, knowing everything out of the brain and that’s not correct Eden sequin Foyt said with the iceberg motel that like 10% is conscious. The rest is subconscious. So I’m asking everybody out there who is actually guiding us. And this is our intuition and our intuition is at the solar plexus.

Jenny: I love, I love it. Just brought up something else because, um, my husband, Jay has been listening on audible to the obesity code, which is a book and he was just telling me the other day and just pointing out like, You know, who says we have to eat breakfast.

That was a whole marketing campaign telling us that we must eat breakfast. And then the marketing campaign talking about how we need to eat five times a day, because that’s going to help rev up. And it’s like, exactly what you say. It’s like our mind goes out to the internet to search all these things and these answers to our problems.

And there’s so much conflicting information out there from so many different gurus and experts. When really, like you said, the power of going inside and listening. So talk a little bit about intuitive eating and what that really means. Cause I feel like it’s almost become a buzzword where people are starting to just ignore it.

Bernadette: I only want to mention something else because it was so interesting when I was in America. And this was a little long time ago, 1999, no, sorry. 1997, 98. And I still remember in America there was the campaign got milk. With the mustache of the milk. Yep. And there’s more as I, I can’t, I can not drink milk because I have not allergic, but I can’t just drink it.

And this was so interesting because it was so conditioned when all the celebrates have the moustache, I have had to have to have the moustache as well, even when you cannot drink it at all. And milk itself is actually not healthy. We had an officer to campaign. There’s a lot of calcium in there and you have to drink milk for getting good bones.

This is just the crap, but there you see how much we get conditioned with marketing slogans and with whatever, anything else comes with it also with the five time eating, because I don’t like five time eating. And when, what I, that’s why I created actually my own nutrition style, because everything would have found out there is either a diet was actually a lie.

What’s coming from the industry that they get more money and I’m like, no, it’s not good for me. I can, I’m not getting, I’m getting ill from it. And I had an eating disorder. I was overweight and, and com, uh, became…. So I had to find myself awake coming back again. ’cause I, I get the, you know, Austrian tradition food thing, and this is, this is not, not always the healthiest part, especially the desserts.

And when I begin to listen to my body, I found out more and more about what’s actually nurturing me. What I don’t want to say heal me, but what’s nurturing me to get a naturally a good blood sugar. And then also when I looked at the blood, everything was okay. My doctor is still totally amazed how good my blood stuff is.

And I’m this year I get 45, by the way. And this is something that’s interesting. As more as I listen to my body and naturally became the weight. What is good for me, where I feel vital, where I’m not being tired or anything else, because I’m eating exactly what my body needs. It doesn’t mean that I’m, that I don’t eat, you know, that I don’t have any cheating day or something like that, but I just don’t need it anymore.

Okay, this is, this is the huge difference because when are you listening to your body? And I’m a totally fan of body positivity because it’s, it’s not about the way we look or someone else’s telling us what’s healthy or not, but it’s about how you feel about it. And if all the para stigmas or what you need, what’s what, what is actually healthy?

It’s about the kilos or the read. What do you have? And also all the, the, the plot. Tests and everything that is positive, this, this, we should took care of it way much more. But if you see, look at the industry who have them actually wants that your health and looking for yourself. Yeah. And as more as a recognized this one, I was like, Okay.

I truly have overtake 100% from, for myself, for my health and for my living and also for my, my dreams coming true. And even when other people telling me that it’s not okay or not. And I still remember because, um, I don’t want to be, I’m not skinny. I have around 50 kilos and I’m in meter or incentive meters 165.

And yes, for other people, I might be too skinny.

Jenny: So 50 kilos in pounds is 110 pounds. That way, depending on where you’re listening, you have both. Okay. What was the other one? How many centimeters? It’s 165 centimeters in feet and inches. Let’s see how big that is. Five, four, five feet, four inches. That way.

Bernadette: All right, sounds good. So go ahead. The interesting part is my mom and my dad. They’re still, you have to eat three times. You have to finish your food, you have to do this, but that’s how they grew up. And when you, when you see the history of your parents in meant, my, my father was a war child. They were happy having something to eat.

Of course he has a different view on food. Have a different view on nutrition and the same with my mom. And I’m like, yes, but I’m listening to my body and I want to stay healthy.

Jenny: Yeah. And even as you talk about that, I went to, I don’t remember exactly where I was, but I was in some museum here in the States and there was a part about nutrition and it showed like the U S government, the different, like food pyramids over the years and how it’s changed and evolved.

And you know, like you said, like for my grandparents, When they grew up, like butter was a food category, which is why they put butter on their toast and everything else. It was like a normal thing to do. And then now, like where we’re at now? Yes. People still like butter, but it’s not as prevalent because it, you know, as it’s evolved and changed, now we’re in like the, my plate, you know, even I grew up with like a different food pyramid than what’s being shared now.

Bernadette: And it, I mean, it’s evolution. Yes. But as more you dig in, you see that every single nutrition has, has two studies, a positive one and another one. Yeah. And I, I said once on, on, uh, I was sitting on the stage with, with other experts and I said, but it’s not the fault of the egg. We believe it. If it’s a good, good thing to eat, or if it’s a totally evil, because there’s clustering in there and I’m like, Put egg and for other people, it always depends how you met the…

It always depends. If you, if you are a sport, you are whatever you are doing. And this a, the there’s a paragraph. So par meters, what’s important to know, and there’s more, we are more than ever have access to knowledge more than ever. We have access to information. And yet, sometimes I have the feeling that a lot of people either misinformed.

We’re not a formed at all. And I’m like, how is the possible, I just don’t understand. And it’s more as I go and teach the people to listen to themselves as less you go for edit any other information, what do you find out there? And this is a natural way. This is something I always say, this is, remember your birthright because when you watch children, they eat intuitively.

And this is the wonderful to see. And I saw it with my twin nieces because I was allowed the first year too, to accompany them and being with their mom and it’s Emma, she was beautiful because I always brought my smoothie with me, but my green smoothie and she always wanted to taste it. And I was like, yes, you can taste it.

And she loved it. Sometimes it’s like the parents say, no, no, this is nothing for children where you, you won’t like it. And I’m like, just let them try it because you don’t like it. Doesn’t meet that your child don’t like it. So true. Yeah. And when you, when it gives them the environment or, uh, that they can choose, they always will choose the healthier stuff by the way.

And this is so interesting and why, I don’t know, I still have no idea why we have more than ever overweight people globally, by the way. Obesity is a huge topic. And also when you see most of the diseases, what we have out there, and I’m not talking about COVID because essentially of dying people, even when, when it’s not a huge topic at the moment, but most people die because actually related to food, uh, to nutrition-related diseases.

Why don’t we do something about this one?

Jenny: Yeah, I definitely agree enemy with Jai and I being, you know, in the same, in the same industry and helping people. Cause we work a lot with like emotional eating and helping people with their triggers. You know, I’m curious how you approach this. So you’re talking about intuitive eating and listening to your body.

Okay. So. Especially with sugar. And, and I, I can’t speak to Austria, but here in the States, sugar is everywhere. All kinds of delicious food, delicious goodies, whatever. So when it comes to listening to your body, how do you work with that when you know your body or so you think your body’s craving the chocolate or the brownies or the sweets or the bond bonds, you know, versus, you know, that you’re, it doesn’t serve your body, but yet you keep doing it.

It’s like that cycle. How do you deal with that, with your, with your program and process?

Bernadette: I created a method where you can delete addiction beliefs. All right. Tell us more. And this is something when, when you, when you’re into neuroplasticity, neuro science, you see more and more that every everything, what we remember is always connected with emotion.

And I give you an example. Remember your favorite food? And check for yourself with whom do you connect with this food? Well, with an event or with an emotion or with a beloved person, there’s always something there it’s the same, by the way, with all addictions, it doesn’t matter if it’s food addiction also with drugs and all the other things.

There is some good point behind it. That’s why you keep it. We people or the body is a miracle. I always said it was to so many people. We are a miracle and we can change everything if we want, if you find the reason why we do something with actually harming us, that’s what I mean before, more than ever, we have access to good information to health information.

We still don’t change it. That’s because there is some kind of good reason behind why you still do it because you have a good member restored. And we are talking about the 90% and subconsciousness. That’s right. You don’t give it up. Yes. When you are food grading or ultra with the direct waving, you have to detox your body afterwards.

When you clear it, the belief what’s actually behind it in your subconsciousness, then you have to detox your body as well because your microbes in your column. They choose what they like. And sugar is also not only in your brain, but also with your parasites. And also with the microbiome, they grateful it it’s like herring.

That’s where a lot of people getting also very cranky when the blood sugar getting very low. And this is not only about sugar, sugar, but this is also about energy. And when you, when you want to, uh, be sugar-free yes. It’s like a process, like when you get rid of drug addiction and sometimes older, the people have the, uh, the symptoms by the way.

But when you, when you clear the belief behind it, like giving together the belief or the food, what do you are totally grieving for a sugar? What are you’re craving for? And having memory with it and then disconnect the emotions with the memory. You cannot have the memory and the food taste differently.

This was for me the biggest aha moment ever. And I cleared. Everything, every, all my beliefs about everything, even because I’m coming from also a bakery and coffee shop. So coffee was always connected with security with mom, with security, with my parents when, at this connected and also all the, my favorite food, it tastes different.

And I was like, what’s happened in here. And this was so interesting because they have there, you see how, what miracle we are, because when you be deleted, when you also detox and, uh, I, I loved Coke before when at the detox and also cleared all my beliefs with it. I hated it. I, I, I’m not drinking nothing, nothing from this stuff anymore.

And my food habit was a little bit different than I have now. Yeah. I’ve always liked fast food and all the things. I mean, at work, I worked a lot about fast food and pizza and Coke and everything. Nothing and I’m not grieving for it. Not at all, nothing at all. And this is so interesting. And when, uh, one, a good friend of mine, she’s from Germany in Australia, also famous for good wine.

And I said to her, I’m totally excited. I cleared everything. I’m not even drinking alcohol anymore, nothing. And she was like, what? When I’m coming to you to Austria, we will do wine tasting. And don’t you tell me that I might have to drink alone. And my like, okay, I have to pick him know to drink again, but I still don’t do it.

I’m very, um, uh, because also background of mine is, um, I love cooking and I learned to have, you know, the right wine to the cooking and all the things I’m not seeing anymore. And this is for me. So interesting because at the moment when you disconnect, and this is hardcore science by dead way, neuroplasticity, when you disconnect your memories with your emotion and Euclid emotion behind the topic behind, which is most of the time in sub in subconsciously hidden and bring it up and just clear it through, you cannot build up the memory anymore.

That’s why I work a lot also with abuse people. And when you clear all the things you truly can begin to have a new life again and, and, and go on with it without any trauma and all the things. That’s why I, that’s why I always say we are miracles. We, human are miracles and we, we should celebrate every single moment when we, yeah.

Jenny: So when we, the fact that we can clear these things. You said we can do it on our own, or we need to do it with somebody or through your system. Like. How, how do we clear it?

Bernadette: I’m, I’m, I’m still figuring out how’s the best way, because most of the time, especially when it’s drama behind it or a heavy, a long addiction, it’s always better when you do it with them professional.

Jenny: Yeah. That makes sense. Cause then they’re kind of clear they’re unattached and they can help watch the different, you know, movements on your face. How you know is your face flush? Is it white? You know, your shoulders up? Are they down? You know, how are you breathing shallow or deep, like all of those indicators, but the method itself, the basic of the methods you can use for everything.

Bernadette: Yeah, this is so I create resilience methods for many years already, actually out of my need of, out of my life story. But other people came one day and they became other coaches and train and they said to me, how are you doing it? And I’m like, I have no idea because I’m doing intuitively. So we have to figure it out.

And, um, I’m coming from the background of NLP is neuro linguistic programming and there is one method called modeling. So the model me a whole weekend, and this was so exhausting, but we still did it. And I begin now to understand how I’m doing it, figuring out my strategy. And just make it, you know, simple, simple, simple, simple, so that I can teach it to everybody else that people can do it in their daily living.

And when you understand how to you functioning, how your strategies are working, how you’re, where your beliefs come from and also the values, then you can reconstruct your whole identity and personality. And this was, this is something like. Wow. Yeah. Um, and I’m still well figuring out how I should teach it because I’m worth a research nerd.

Yeah, I would be I’m serious since COVID I’m I was never in on so many podcasts because I saw it’s time supporting as many as possible because doing suicide because of COVID was like, for me, the weird, the thing, I was like, no way. Yeah. I’m I’m, I’m just, you know, I’m the research woman out there. I’m getting this year, my own research center.

But I see more and more that it’s time that supporting as much as possible because trauma coming up abuse. There’s so much abuse out there and I, I didn’t recognize it, uh, since. But for a couple of years, people are coming to me and asking me for help because they heard from me. So I said, okay, it’s time to go out there in a, in a way that as many as possible can excesses.

That’s why I’m actually writing books. Am I good in writing books? No! Lucky me that I found people that I did, they can bring it on paper, um, especially in another language than German because my mother tongue is German. German. But still, I see that that is necessary to go out there, but I always want to have a, with my books, a scientist next to me so that we can scientifically explain why my stuff works.

And this is the most service per se, but this is totally challenging for me, because for my opinion, it’s totally easy to do it, but to explain it, I always need it. Way much longer to explain it. Then my stuff actually works when you use it. Only because the thinking is different than the way we got conditions in childhood.

Hmm. I hope I explained it in a good way.

Jenny: Yeah, no, it makes sense to me. And it also kind of speaks a little bit more to your personality and the way that you do business, especially with the research side, to be able, it’s almost like a mode of learning and teaching. How do people learn so that you can put it in a way, especially since you’re wanting to reach so many people because there’s visual learners and kinesthetic learners and audio learners, right?

Experiential learners. So making sure that everybody does, but I. So Jay and I have gone through NLP courses and classes, and of course it being there, in-person learning the different techniques and learning the ways to reroute your brain and reroute your thinking. And it’s interesting because I’m curious, because this happened to me.

So I went to one of the, one of the trainings and I was up with the teacher and we were, we were talking about rerouting, you know, different sweets and addictions and stuff. Right. And so she’s like, well, I’m not gonna like. Reroute and obliterate, you know, they use all the big marketing terms, like obliterate it.

And, um, I went up on stage and I said, okay, I eat so many brownies. I ha I want to get rid of brownies. Right. So she did it. And then we, we did the mapping exercise where we took something I hated versus something. I loved mapped them together. And then they tested it the next day by bringing me a brownie from Starbucks.

And I almost threw up. I was like, Ooh, you know, like gross. But what’s interesting is, I don’t know, probably about six years later. I’m back to eating brownies.

Bernadette: So still, I don’t want to, I don’t want to say fighting, but with all the neuroscientists I was discussing about method. They said it can’t be possible also with NFP people.

And I said it is because I see it with my people and also with myself. So that’s why I’m still not having the book out there because I didn’t find any neuroscientists to. Who we are, we are all open for it, by the way, open for it to sit, sit beyond what they learned. And most of the people telling me the same.

What are you seeing at the moment? And this is only because you are not clearing it your own, it just overwrite it. Yep. And when you, when you have a trigger, you, you, you, you got into have not, uh, I dunno if it’s now too scientifically, too specific, but they brought into hypnosis. This is a different state than the normal state.

And when this, this state is over and you’re going back to the normal state, you’re, you’re doing the same, what you did before. I don’t want to say to you, it’s different way, but it’s still going in this direction. I’m like, this is for me not clearing. Yeah. What, what I’m doing is, is totally serious. I it’s clearing you.

You never will remember you because you cannot build up the memory when you’re into neuroscience and need to know your plasticity. You know, you can change it forever.

Jenny: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I’m getting so many chills as a confirmation cause like that’s the distinction, what you you’ve developed in your teaching and you’re working with is the clearing is the most important thing.

Cause you can still be by our beliefs through NLP hypnosis, whatever. But until you clear that emotional connection and even you kind of talked about like, I can’t remember where I saw this, if it was on your website or where it was, but you even talked about, you know, helping. Women with ancient femininity and cracking the subconscious wisdom.

Yes. And so I don’t know. I mean that, I feel like that’s a good segue from what we were talking about, because it sounds like, and I can only imagine that some of this is learned behavior from generations past.

Bernadette: Not only that when you put people on, I’m still talking about the 90% subconsciousness. And I’m asking everybody to question out though, do you actually know who you are without your beliefs?

What you got conditioned since childhood and when I work with people and when they are opened, by the way, when they are open for it, because we have no idea about our 90% hidden treasure potential, what we have in us. When we don’t crack it. And I do it always depends if you can, it’s a model, but I do past life regression to parallel in all the things, because I wasn’t a big pleasure 10 years ago, having, uh, people around me where I’m allowed to.

To do research and to work with them as Guinea pigs, because they were totally open and I’m like, let’s play because I have no idea what I’m doing. It’s usually that’s that first sentence was I say, I have no idea I’m doing so let’s do, but be open with it. And I found the biggest changes with people. Who didn’t put any beliefs or any models, but they learned into it, but we’re open for it just for playing, because what happens and you see it with children when you’re playing, you’re totally open and just, just try let’s play.

And I’m, uh, I’m someone I always check like some weeks later or something like that and make my, my recheck if it’s working or not. And if it’s not working, we will go on. And when I found like the tools domesticates I will, you want to call it? I make it as easy as possible because there is an I I’m alternating occasion chunky.

I love trainings. I love workshops. I love learning from the best when they are still alive, by the way. And for me, it’s like, there are so many good stuff out there, but for me to complicate to bring it in my daily living, I hate complicated stuff. I love simply stuff. What I can use, especially when I’m crisis, what they did working very fast.

And then I don’t have to have to remember, Oh God, this, there was some kind of prepping or some kind of things I have to do or some kind of calling or whatever, because I, when I’m in stress, I just forget all the things. My methods. It’s like train, train, train, really use it practicable till it’s like brushing your teeth.

It’s a subconscious, but it’s a true different abroad. Uh, and, and what you’re using, like brushing teeth, you just don’t think, or like with the driving, when you know your skills becoming subconscious again, and it’s just the habit of you. And this is, this is what I like the most on my people. When I work with them and giving them methods.

Most of the time I need the explanation way much longer than the method, actually.

Jenny: Yeah. Do you, are you able to share like what the steps in the method are?

Bernadette: I mean, I have three, I have three basic methods and then I have the inner child healing. And also with the addiction and for me, I only thought about, Hey, let’s do it online.

Just let learn, giving all the tools. But what I saw is more effective. The method is, is more. Is it better when you do it? Not online, but being present, especially with the inner child healing. It’s so profound when, uh, when you work and when all the very old hurtings are coming up, it’s always good. When, when the people that when you have someone around who can, who can hold the space.

Yeah. That makes sense. This is psycho therapy, but I just call it in a different way, because officially I’m not yet because I want to become a feminine therapist, but it’s very expensive. Also in the States, by the way, because I was checking in the States. Yeah. And this is, this is something, what, what takes time getting the license and all the things.

And that’s why I say it’s, it’s not a therapy, it’s just a coaching style. But my peak, I totally want to have an official therapy style with the work, what I’m doing.

Jenny: That’s interesting. Cause even, and I don’t know how you guys feel about this or how you feel about this. I mean, is. At least what I have understood therapy is, is therapy is going back and then coaching is helping move forward.

That’s on a very basic way that it’s been talked about. So how do you feel about coaching therapy and the different methods since that’s what you’re looking to get into?

Bernadette: I understand time and space doesn’t exist. Is there truly a past is the truly a food, a future, and most parks there. They are fear in there, and this is also a concept.

And when, when I work with them, I go, I don’t want to say through time and space, but it’s just something what I truly do with them in a self-hypnosis. And then I go time and space. It doesn’t matter because your subconscious will give you all the pictures. That’s your subconscious know about, about clock.

We naturally wake up, not, we don’t actually eat any clock. Because we have it when we would listen to our body and listen, uh, what, what it feels good for you, you just naturally wake up anyway. And it’s it’s therapy. I, I looked on so many different therapies and so many coaching style. They all have a sense and more than ever the, in a minute, we’re in an age, are we in a time where you can truly choose which therapy or which coaching style fits to you?

Because the biggest thing about is do you believe. In a methods or in the coaching therapy style or not so true. And if you trust your therapist, your coach or not yeah.

Jenny: That’s that speaks right there to the power of the mind. Yes. You know, and, and the power of what we tell it. Cause I mean, we literally, we can shift our reality all the time, but I think it goes back to what you said before.

Whereas as easy as that sounds. It’s still linked to some kind of past memory or some kind of past experience that likely got really anchored into you. It’s stored.

Bernadette: Yes. Yeah, it’s stored. Yeah. I’ll give you a quote and yes, he’s Austrian like Sigmund Freud, but he was famous in America in Palo Alto, San Francisco.

And his name was . He was also in constructivism and he said one sentence. How real is reality? And we got conditioned because everybody of us sees the world different, some TV, totally challenging, some totally open, and you get all the gifts, what you want. And it always depends what you got conditioned since childhood.

And this is a framing and communication science. You say, this is a framing. That’s why I put my PhD topic about health framing and we get, we got a lot of friends. Are they healthy? Most of them, probably not. Otherwise we wouldn’t have so many diseases out there and challenges, mental challenges and the embody leverage.

And when we look on this and when we, when we change it, even when we changed the perspective on something, it can be healing and it can shift our reality. So how real is truly reality out there. And when you see it on, on global topics like we have at the moment, some people believe in it. Some people don’t believe in it.

Some people ignore it. Some people just, you know, never heard about it. It’s all over also very interesting and everybody perceive it in a different way. Some of these proceedings are not healthy for us and some might be healthy and it always depends if you, if you, whatever you hear or see in the TV or from other people is always about to, I take it for real or not.

That’s the huge difference. And this is, this is something why I even created last year in COVID time, my own radio show for my PhD and bring in all the different experts to see. Exactly this topic, what happens at the moment in a different shoe?

Jenny: So as you’re running things through those frames, how do you know if the frame that you have is serving you and taking you, you know, in the direction you want to go, or if it’s not serving you, is there a way to be able to tell?

Bernadette: does your frame make you happy and healthy or does your frame make you unhappy and ill?

Jenny: That is so simple and so powerful. And so many people need to hear that. And even, so I think like you even said, like be willing to listen. Cause I mean, if you’re not ready to listen and you’re not willing to listen, you could still hear that and not necessarily recognize and be self aware that, Oh, wow, I’m unhappy and unhealthy.

Or I’m, you know, this is causing me a lot of stress. Cause I mean, if you’re already committed and you’re in that, that mindset that’s causing you stress. Whatever it is, you know, Oh, there’s no jobs for me. Oh, you know, life sucks or whatever. I mean, those are very simple things, but if you’re in that world, you know, what you said is so simple and so profound, but it does take a level of self-awareness.

Bernadette: It’s the same with my methods. They’re simple. And there’s one sentence. When, when I did my research, uh, and created my resilience method, make it as easy as possible. There came one sentence and it doesn’t matter if you believe in God or not. I always said when it’s simple, it’s divine when it’s complicated, it’s manmade. And this, this is what I found the most.

And I had the pleasure, not only working with millionaires and successful people, but also at very nice talks with farmers. They’re very grounded and they have so profound, easy, simple sentences where you sit next to it. And when I was young, I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I became more and more. You recognize what actually is going on there.

And as you said, it’s a level of experience. It’s a level of awareness. And, uh, for me, it’s awareness. It’s also going into silence that you actually listen. What your body is telling you all the time. We don’t need the CSUs. We just only have to listen again. And sometimes we need cancer. We need diabetes, we need some kind of other tumor or whatever that we finally begin to listen.

But if we would listen a little bit earlier, then we don’t need any diseases. Our body is talking with us all the time, all the time. Yeah. That’s so powerful also that the origins have meanings with it. Do you listen to your heart when you have a heart attack? Is you heartbroken? We even use it in our wordings.

And sometimes I say to my clients, do we actually listen to what you’re saying right now? Because most of the time they’re coming out, you know, from the subconscious or whatever, but if they would listen to it way much more, if they say everything to themselves anyway.

Jenny: Yeah. You know, what’s so synchronistic about this as I’m going through a program right now. And today’s topic was like, what is your illness telling you? And really just exploring like an example in the, in the exercises were like, you know, let’s make up a name, Adams headaches. You know, hi, I’m, Adam’s headaches and I’m here to protect Adam from blank. Like it’s, like you said, it’s serving a purpose and it, a lot of times can be from something that was manifested in our mind.

You know, it’s just, that was cool. That that happened to be the topic today that I just went through.


Bernadette: And sometimes I don’t want to say I cry inside when I see how people treat themselves. But actually it is because there’s one thing, what I learned the most as child in a bakery, we had their lonely people. We had their alcoholic people and we were, they just were the whole day in our coffee shop and sitting here, they were hardworking people and they all had their own story. Sometimes very sad story. And I still remember, I was sitting there, listen to them. And that there’s one gift for children giving us is they want to sh they, they want to take away the pain from you.

And this was probably one, one of the many reasons why became I’m not an animal keeper. I always wanted to be an animal keeper, but just taking care for people. And I do, by the way, I do very weird coachings. I, I even did co even to coaching on the phone when it’s an emergency, even when I’m on the train or somewhere else, I just don’t care.

I did that even in the middle of Vienna. Only to be there for the people when there is an emergency. And this, this is because I met so many heartbreaking stories and I even made now a podcast called the….. where we give very heartwarming stories, very tough stories, but they get that. They get an ear to be here, to be here and.

It’s more as a duties and also terminal care. I see that we are blessed and so many tones don’t enjoy the life don’t they don’t plus actually that they are healthy. Many people begin to bless what they have when they don’t have it anymore. And like, not, I don’t know, as a new country, but in Australia, everybody’s whining now that they can’t do any, any vacation outside of Austra.

And I’m like, We had such a beautiful country. There’s only so many people coming to us. Now we have the chance to see actually our own country and not all the tourists there. And they’re still complaining. And I don’t understand it. We are blessed all, everybody who has a housing who is healthy, who has something to eat. We are blessed. There are so many people out there who aren’t.

Jenny: It goes back to the frames. You were talking about the frame that you’re looking and you’re receiving that information through. You know, it’s like, what is the saying? Like, you can’t see the picture if you’re the frame, you know, if you’re not able to see what’s really there, unless you step outside and look at it in different ways, or even like, I don’t know how you think about this, but even trying on different frames.

How does this frame look? How does that frame look and seeing how things feel or even like that exercise of putting on the Rose colored glasses? You know, I’ve done that before here, put on these glasses, how to things look, you know, and I think sometimes it’s that process of just being open to trying here, just try on this idea, try on this mindset, try on this way of thinking and see how it feels.

You can always, you can always give it back, you know, but try it.

Bernadette: And I I’m. I do sometimes a little weird stuff. When is it was last year I begin, I call, uh, I have a YouTube series called 50 shades of aha because one of the most profound methods I have is aha. Then you don’t get into, into the view of other people and overtake it is re now we’re talking about reality again, and I created one called fear.

And when do you use the fear? When you see the word fear there’s ear in it, the ears and your fears are actually between your ears. And I had, I had so many anxiety. I had people, clients with anxiety and with all weird stuff out of their experience, of course. And they believe it’s real. And sometimes I have to take the people from, to the hand and say, let’s step out of your frame.

Let’s go see it in a different way. How will, how will look it from this side and this side and this side. And I’m very lucky and blessed because one of my mentor created a method. He called it health picture and he was a direct dude and offer Virginia Cynthia. But genius, if there was an American and she was the founder of the family therapist and this method of him, the health picture is so easy because you don’t talk that much.

You ask question. Yes, but you use colored paper on the floor to bring everything what’s inside, bothering you outside and seed from the different ankles. Hmm. And sometimes there’s so huge challenge what you have there looks so different when you just step out of the frame and go see it from a different view.

Jenny: Yeah. I, that I, that always happens to me. If I’m on a plane, like looking above the world, or if I’m like out looking at the ocean or I’m on the top of a mountain, like it just always just re-centers and goes. The problems that I think I have, they’re really not that big. They’re not a big deal. Like, look at all this, like, look all this mother nature, like, just look at the vastness of the ocean.

Bernadette: Another way that I’ve done it also this, and, um, when I combined my three… uh, indict terminal care, I went out and I was like, we don’t actually live our living. And we are more than ever. I even talked with my mom today about this is interesting. What an ever in a time where we women can do everything, what we want. We can study week. We can choose the work, what we want. We can choose if we want, if we want to have a family. Yeah. You are not 30, 40, 5,000 years ago. This was not possible. And we were even, we were sometimes property from the men, from their husband and their even countries up there worldwide. We’re still, this is a topic we are more than ever blessed having choices, maybe sometimes a little bit too much choices that’s that we are overwhelmed, but still the possibility to do everything.

And I said to my mom today, how is the possible that, that a woman don’t want to study? I know I’m a practical person, but I love being on universities. I love being studying and all the things, because I said 30, 40 years ago, they had to fight for it. Now they fight it for us. For a better world for a better future.

And then we don’t use it. Hello. I mean, in America, it’s totally expensive that you’re studying also, we don’t have to pay for it and we get really, really good education. This is really quality education, what we have in Austria. And then I don’t understand it. How can, why not? You’re going study.

Jenny: Yeah, I find, I find human behavior very interesting. And it’s something that I’ve always. I dunno, just found it interesting and watching the way that people react or do the things they do. And, and I’ve always had a curiosity about me and I always said, you know, if it were socially acceptable, I would want to just sit with everybody at the airport or the cafe or wherever I was.

And just be like, hi, you know, what are your dreams? What are your goals? Like what makes you move? Like, why don’t you do the things you do to just ask some of those questions, but if some people would be open to it, but others would be very uncomfortable with it, you know? But I was just so curious. Yeah, I’m just so curious.

Like why, why do you do what you do? Why do you like what you like, you know, how did you discover this? How did you find that? Like, I just find those things really intriguing as I, as I found this conversation too. I mean, we’ve covered so many things. We’ve this was a deep one. Right. And I think that speaks a lot to the solar plexus, right.

The solar plexus being the place for our power and really stepping into that. And even so, like, what what’s interesting too is it’s like, you’ve got the root. The sacral, then the solar plexus, and those are like the three lower chakras in our body. And also a lot of these conversations that you’ve heard over this journey, it’s like those.

It’s been more like grounding conversations, like all the guests we’ve had on like all of it. So it’s just more of a grounding talk. And as we go up and we finish the series with the, you know, the crown chakra and the third eye and all of that, I mean, they’re going to get yeah, more. They’re going to get more areas flying high.

And so, I mean, that’s just something that is. Especially with you being in the so so much research and stuff. I mean, it’s just like perfect. It just fits perfectly. So, you know, if someone’s listening and they they’re really intrigued by what you’re saying, and they want to, you know, take the next steps and reach out to you or work with you, how would they do that?

Or what would be the way or ways since you are an Austria, you know, people can be listening from all over the world. What do you offer? How far do you reach?

Bernadette: I’m on social media beverages everywhere there, because I’m really a freak about that. And I like to connect there. I don’t Facebook truly with my name Bernadette Bruckner on LinkedIn.

You see all my stuff or I’m doing I’m on Instagram. I don’t have one profile, but I have two profiles. Uh, I just love being connected because more than ever. There we’ve got globally. It’s a digital world with gaming and it’s just, just beautiful. I miss traveling. And, but online, you can do a lot, but I’m not doing all coachings online.

As I said before, when it’s, there is a profound topic, a deep topic, I wouldn’t do it because this is irresponsible in my opinion. And the other stuff it’s, you know, online or with the books, I’m, I’m doing my best getting translated them in English and German. I have more. And still, um, I’m working on it and this year, hopefully I get 20 books out.

Yes, I’m a little bit workaholic, but I still love what I’m doing because I see more and more the changes in the people and when I can support them. And I’m, I’m talking about my own story because I nearly died four times and I said, I create stuff. What I actually wanted to have myself 20 years ago. And since COVID, we have more than ever suicide attempts and, and burnout and depression.

This is something no go live should be wonderful. Life should be lived. Life should be laughed and everything that everybody has the possibility to live the dreams. And if it’s, if we don’t have the world yet doesn’t mean that we can build it up in the future.

Jenny: No, I love it. And guys definitely reach out to her. I mean, I know that I’m already connected on social and I’m so glad that she’s a part of our life of ventures, podcast, and circle. Make sure that you definitely connect with some powerful stuff. Keep an eye on her because you know, she’s just going to continue to fly high. And be that change, be that like really powerful aspects.

She’s got a big, big heart, big vision. So make sure you kinda. Be a part of it or watch or show her love and support. So definitely such a powerful episode. Thank you for coming on. This was a great way to end out the solar plexus, you know, as we step into, you know, the next episode, getting more into the heart, it’s like a, it’s like the per year, the perfect segue between solar plexus and heart.

It’s like, perfect. So until next time, see you guys.

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